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Post by leadbelly on Jan 28, 2012 17:03:17 GMT -8
Good one as always Brain. I'm not a Trekkie, but I appreciate the storyline. I love Dexter. See. I would even put up with his serial killing if he was good to me, and I sure wouldn't want to make him mad.
I like that your life is cresting on a wave....
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Post by robgke on Jan 28, 2012 17:42:45 GMT -8
a parallel coincidence perhaps... I'm home, it's saturday night so where else would I be, but anyways even though I rarely watch movies I'm watching star wars episode 3. And just moments ago Yoda offered this advice to Anakin... "Train yourself to let go of everything you fear to lose."
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Post by leadbelly on Jan 28, 2012 17:59:53 GMT -8
Wow...that's really sage advice....I love that.
I wonder why I forget so many wonderful things I learn...do our minds conveniently do this....because that Yoda line alone is the cure :-)
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Post by ramaplame on Jan 28, 2012 21:34:58 GMT -8
Yeah, leadbelly, I relate. I was soooo mad when I realized all my problems began with me. I was like, "I have to deal with WHAT? I don't have time for this! There has to be some other way..." But there wasn't.
I mean, thank G-d that there IS a way to recover, you know? I felt so lost and so alone and so...troubled. I would rather be in recovery -- do all the hard work -- than go back to doing it the hard way.
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Post by leadbelly on Jan 29, 2012 4:21:05 GMT -8
Hey ramaplame....yes, I see that it is me - like really see the separateness of me and my POA. I did a few revolutions in thought that my POA is not to blame for any of this?? I feel really down this morning. Maybe I created all of this? Maybe my POA is a nice guy - I was certainly drawen to him because we talked really well and he was fun? Very confusing right now.
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Post by leadbelly on Jan 29, 2012 4:29:03 GMT -8
nahhhhh, I just looked at my list.... $sshole.....
But I feel down, even though I am doing the work slowly and as it comes, I am in pain. I don't really think I have known life without this background pain, that's why when I meet someone who makes me feel high with happiness, it is so d**n powerful in me.
That is directly from my childhood...from wanting to escape how awful it was growing up with a tyrannical father and a sick mother....my life existed on outside events to soothe things over. I guess I started rejecting myself way back then as my father hit and threatened me. Doesn't seem to matter that I understand this now???
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Post by Herenow on Jan 29, 2012 12:09:24 GMT -8
leadbelly it does matter that you are understanding your childhood and when you said you didn't know life without the background pain that is it! That is a big piece of our addiction. So your job is to literally re-wire your brain to recognize more pleasure than pain so you can let go of keeping background pain in your life. But because of our early childhood stuff we have to now work on pleasure and being mindful that we are enjoying whatever we are enjoying so pleasure (not addiction kinds of pleasure) starts to light us up, not the pain. Seems like you are doing a lot of good thinking. In my meditation today I realized I spend a lot of time having "virtual" relationships with people because real contact is too scary since the real contact I had a a kid was scary bad. I am excited to see how I create these fantasies ( not just about men, but about everyone) as a way to trick myself into thinking I am connecting. I have some social phobias so this is how I've coped. I am hopeful that I can work on the fear of real life connection now that I have found out what fantasy has done for me.
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Post by ramaplame on Jan 29, 2012 13:38:29 GMT -8
leadbelly that was really helpful for me when you said 'background pain.' That's a really good description of it. so, yes, I think that's a big piece of our addiction. As to whether your poa was a nice guy -- I don't think he was, but does it matter? You could study him until you knew every lie he told, every wrinkle on his face and the name of his first dog. He is irrelevant. The point is you chose him. You chose to have a relationship with someone who was not good to you. Why? Why would you do that to yourself? Why do you not feel you are worth loving? What happened in your past to make you feel this way? Why do you create situations that end in chaos? And what are you going to do about it? If you do nothing -- I guarantee the same thing will happen over and over again. Ask anyone on this board. We go looking for these people. I can't tell you how many handsome and terrible men I dated before recovery. I didn't even have a healthy relationship to compare it to. So in my opinion, it's not about him. You have to focus on you. diane17's post is right. You gotta rewire your brain, girl. I didn't get it until my friend in recovery said, "He is not the problem -- he is ::a:: problem -- but you are ::the:: problem." Ouch! But it was true. A recovery plan, this forum, maybe a 12 step program, books on our addiction -- they will help you repair. You can retrain your brain, begin to make healthy decisions, and eventually love yourself. Trust me, I was the lasssst person to believe this was possible. But it is. I think you are on the right path!
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Post by leadbelly on Jan 29, 2012 16:03:19 GMT -8
Thank you Diane and ramaplame......Diane you and I are twins in the fantasizing department...I have all these daydreams where I'm always, always the hero and RIGHT and people LOVE me. Embarrassing, you bet. But in real life I get so anxious meeting people, because I don't think I have anything to offer, and believe I have had men and women come up to me for sniff and I just see them moving on....on the other hand why would I like or want anyone like that in my life. I gotta get in the real world now....my little lifes' vignettes are killing me and are a d**n theft of what's really going on or what's really been said. I don't think it's any surprise then that I prefer my mind life than my real life....because my real life doesn't go anywhere near what my fantasy life is. Whew that was hard to figure out.
Ramaplame....love how you reach me. I am ::the:: problem. I am. I also feel like today that I have accepted that I may never meet anyone that we share a really beautiful love arguments and all....but I need to get on with creating a life that I want to live in right?
I will blindly trust what you say about self love. I want to know.
gawd.
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Post by leadbelly on Jan 30, 2012 3:29:03 GMT -8
Monday a.m.....just getting ready to go to work and feeling anxious but determined. I think he may be off today, so I'll just get my bearings. Not seeing him for 5 days created an automatic NC, but here I go in reality with my life in working with him. Even if my addiction goes away completely AND IT WILL, I have decided I do not want to engage in a working friendship. I never really liked him in the beginning and I should have stopped there....kinda like the Stockholm Syndrome.
I will post tonight when I get home, even if it's just to myself.
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Post by Herenow on Jan 30, 2012 5:08:04 GMT -8
Wow leadbelly, it is Stockholm Syndrome. It was with my last POA, he was a horror. He found every possible way to emotionally torture me and I was hooked. My therapist recommended a great book by Patrick Carnes "The Betrayal Bond". It took me reading it 3 times before I could understand it ( each time I was with my POA) the 4 and 5 times I read it I was in NC and it really made sense. Good luck today, NC is for you, you are doing this for you because you are worth it and the pain and anxiety of NC will pass. Really related to your post on fantasies...ah life.
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Post by Loving My Life on Jan 30, 2012 6:15:00 GMT -8
LB, remember to keep your inner-child under control. tell her to be quiet and behave today. Have a wonderful monday.
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Post by leadbelly on Jan 30, 2012 9:53:32 GMT -8
...as I mentioned in another post - remember in the Wizard of Oz, when Toto pulled back the curtain to reveal The Wizard of Oz....same with my POA - I know it, but the crazy, addictive side of me is not rested there yet!!!
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Post by robgke on Jan 30, 2012 18:13:09 GMT -8
....and look, 15 years later nothing changed....up until now that is. Maybe nothing did change for all that time. But things are changing now! It's evident in your posts, your making changes. And I suspect you'll see evidence of those changes, how you feel and act sooner then later. Keep it up, you may not be there but your on your way so keep it up.
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Post by leadbelly on Jan 30, 2012 18:24:01 GMT -8
thanks robgke, it means alot that you can see evidence, 'cause sometimes things feel solid and unmoveable....taking my holiday time to remove myself is HUGE for me....
the things i did in the past with other poa's was just nuts and I was oblivious, completely oblivious....I just thought i was crazy and i think maybe that's when my vicious inner selftalk began, because how could i have respected anything i did? I understand now, there is history in my behaviour and it's an addiction or severe reaction from what used to be....it at least allows for some kind of self compassion and taking my hands gently off the steering wheel. Make sense???
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Post by robgke on Jan 30, 2012 18:31:19 GMT -8
It makes a lot pf sense. It's a process and it's going to take time.. and faith in your higher power. Give yourself the time your going to need to reflect on where you've been and where your going along with the changes you need to make and what you need to let go of and turn over to your higher power.
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Post by leadbelly on Jan 31, 2012 4:40:30 GMT -8
I keep wondering over and over again...why I have lost control of my own mind? It's mine...my mind. It feels weird. It's the thinking part of my mind...and meditators are always teaching one to get away from that. but I just wonder why I can't get that thinking part back in line? and where did these vicious and ridiculous self attacking thoughts grow and come from??? It's like WOW I'm noticing what a mess I have going on inside....like an untended garden. Just seems so wrong.....it's my OWN mind for gawd sake.
just had this fantasy that POA was teaching me how to drive and I made him laugh wildly, this little fantasy went on for a good 10 minutes and then I was left with this incrediable pain and missing him....this would never happen in real life anyway....none of it would....and I wanted to call and email.....and will wait for this urge to subside....this is what my fantasies are like....I'm so perfect in them and so loved. Lonely huh...and it keeps me locked into a make believe life.
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Post by leadbelly on Jan 31, 2012 11:15:36 GMT -8
Strange. My POA just called me. He was worried that I am avoiding him because I took the rest of the week off, and that I'm going to tell on him. We actually had a really really nice talk. I assured him I was not going to tell, but that I needed time to get things right in my head and that on my return things would look different...not "because I hate you", but that I "put alot of fantasy qualities around you and I just need to know you a different way without all the stuff around you" and in order to do that I need to stay away in order to see what I really have.
It has eased the pain considerably, but now I want to make hay while I'm off and do the work required in order to begin to understand why I go for men who don't really like me!!! and then start obsessing about them....this is the good work.
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Post by Herenow on Jan 31, 2012 17:25:38 GMT -8
Good for you leadbelly. But remember the less you engage in conversation, explanation etc. to POA the more you build self-esteem and stability in you. Do you have a plan for the rest of the week to work your program? And I just read your previous post, when we are in addiction the executive function portion of our brain literally shuts down that is why you've lost your thinking mind. You seem to be coming into some good awareness. The less you have contact with your POA the more clarity and thinking you will get back. And it is always tricky if not down right impossible to have any contact and recover. Good luck!! You are worth it.
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Post by leadbelly on Feb 1, 2012 5:46:58 GMT -8
I feel very, very hopeful today. Thanks to LovelyJune and everyone else's explanation of venting and then obsessing and then addiction. Life is so much easier when I reach out. Jealousy. Can anyone comment on this today? No one and I mean no one likes to talk or admit to this but it happens....the same about loneliness - it's there. Re jealousy, I notice I have been feeling it acutely, but only in association with my POA. I have also noticed my irritation levels go up - I swear to god, I would push an old lady down the stairs if it meant being with my POA. And I don't care about anything or anyone if I feel panicked because of him? I'm wondering if I could say something to myself when this happens....and maybe as my life coach suggests, I put out energy that keeps people away. I was trying to get a grip on how I was interacting with others yesterday - am I too clingy, too needy, brash, disrespectful??? but then people felt genuinely happy to see me - big smiles and willing to talk about their stuff with me??? Maybe this is 'dissonence' that Kuuipo talks about. Is all the above an arm of 'addictive' like behaviour.
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Post by leadbelly on Feb 1, 2012 13:23:02 GMT -8
....just noticing today....how my mind switches subjects; poa, sex, spending, food, food, food, and then back to poa, sex.....STOP STOP....I wonder I'm afraid to live in NOW.
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Post by leadbelly on Feb 1, 2012 18:39:34 GMT -8
I am wondering tonight how badly I want to change? To help myself? How serious am I? Do I take myself seriously? I pump myself up into a froth about wanting to do this and that etc.etc. and then do not follow through. Is it laziness? I know what to do.
just wondering lots tonight......when will I make myself count.
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Post by robgke on Feb 1, 2012 18:44:54 GMT -8
in all this wondering, don't forget to see that you are starting to make yourself count simply by all the wondering. Your thinking about yourself, and that counts!
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Post by Loving My Life on Feb 1, 2012 18:56:20 GMT -8
LB, we just have to do it, even when we dont feel like it, i can talk myself out of anything, that is one of my character defects, i procastinate, but iam making progress with that. we cant be motivated by how we feel, we just have to take some actions. And I know you are not to fond of 12 step meetings, but it would help you so much if you could find some kind of support group to be around people who are going thru the same thing you are. it is just nice to have others for face to face contact. But also be sure and journal about how you feel, and what you want to change. And just stay focused on one day at a time, it is easier to manage only one day. First things first.
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Post by leadbelly on Feb 1, 2012 19:16:11 GMT -8
Hi Carolyn....thank you for your response....it makes sense. I really, truly believe I am doing enough in my recovery for now....I was wondering if I had picked up yet another addiction - checkingcheckingchecking on these boards and reading so many articles and reading up on articles on baggage reclaim. Posting is another discipline that I'm following through on several times a day, which I was vague about before. I love my life coach.
LOL actually writing about this I can see I'm involved considering how wild I was 2 or 3 weeks ago.
I would love to shed some weight now....as it just reminds me of the pain I hold.
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Post by Loving My Life on Feb 1, 2012 19:29:33 GMT -8
LB, Iam with you on the losing some weight, and being on this forum, sometimes it is good to take a break because it is alot of information at once, and it does take a minute too process all of this. We did not get this way overnight, and it is not going to be fixed overnight. but as long as we are taking baby steps to improve our life, that is all we can do. we cant do more than we are capable of, we have to learn and grow. Im glad you have your life coach, as long as you have some people in your inner circle, to see face to face. B/c isolation when your new in recovery is never good, b/c we have that committee in our heads, working overtime, we can drive ourselves insane. But just pace yourself, and limit yourself with how much time you spent on here. I needed this forum when i first got here, b/c i got my mind off of waiting to hear from my poa. but just know your limits.
good luck on losing weight also, we just have to be dedicated...
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Post by leadbelly on Feb 1, 2012 19:41:29 GMT -8
thank you carolyn.....it's so true about not getting this way overnight....
I will pace myself better, but I think more importantly, understand that I am moving forward.
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Post by Loving My Life on Feb 1, 2012 20:00:09 GMT -8
LB, something else you can do from time to time, when your writing, write down all the progress that you have made since you came to this site, sometimes we dont realize our own progress. and just little things, it is all baby steps. your doing good, keep it up. have a nice evening. going to sleep now.
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Post by leadbelly on Feb 5, 2012 18:08:43 GMT -8
Going back to work tomorrow where my POA is after having a week off with 1 slip.
I have had enough distance to see that I am different, a different person under his spell, but more importantly any POA that I have had in the past. I didn't even know this until recently. And my eating becomes disordered, and there again is another layer of not knowing who I am because I become aggitated, pre-occupied, not wanting to be around people...need space to fantasize, not interested in anything, not interested in work.....yuck. Like really really mind blowing. So this is what I know today...and how all this new information plays out is up to me. Really and truly one day at a time.
Real life, most likely, just needs to be lived as it is...no obsessing about spending, sex, men, food....jeez....my new mantra 1,000 times a day: I have value, I have value, I have value and act as if.
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Post by foolmetwice on Feb 6, 2012 17:57:36 GMT -8
LB. I really enjoy your posts as they describe myself to me! Yes, with the "idiot' grin; it makes you want to slap yourself in the face or yell 'leave me alone' over your shoulder!!! WHAT IS THAT?! I remember wondering all this, just like you are now. I finally gave up trying to figure out the WHY and accepted that it is the way my brain works and i can retrain it. Something about this guy triggered something in me and it sent me into inner space. Today I live my days around reflecting on why that happened and what was it that happened to me that formed the trigger? I just want to be normal!!!! thanx again for your candor Fm2
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