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Post by Herenow on Apr 14, 2012 4:33:37 GMT -8
Butterfly I have been out of town for a while and missed this thread until reading the whole thing this morning. First let me thank you for painting such a great picture about how we might come across when we are in the throes of our addiction. It is humbling and sobering to see addiction in action, to be on the receiving end. And I have to think you were being tested as to how strong you really are. You talked earlier about being shook up having to be so blunt, but hey, you were able to take care of yourself...not an easy thing for us LA! Good for you. You are getting healthier! I really enjoyed reading everyone's thoughts on your situation, we are not stable when we are in depths of our LA. We are not rational and we can be scary. I remember too many nights of crazy behavior when access to my POA was threatened or blocked....these are not good memories, but they help me stay clean and sober as it were! Again great job, my suspicion is you won't ignore red/yellow flags or you gut in the future! THanks again for this thread. Hope he leaves you alone now. Diane
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Post by Herenow on Apr 14, 2012 7:36:19 GMT -8
carolyn I am sorry you got whacked. rejection is a huge trigger for me. You have been clear all along you don't want this man and you have worked hard to let go. Even though rejection hurts it is only pain and you have tools to stop the obsession. It is difficult work and when the triggers happen we have to dig in and work hard at letting go. Whatever you can do to take care of yourself, simple kind things thoughts and any place you can add in fun, exercise meditation. I know it feels like betrayal, but remember this is about your life and has nothing to do with him. hugs to you.
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Post by Loving My Life on Apr 14, 2012 8:33:50 GMT -8
requin & diane, After i did my mini 4th step last night & got up refreshed this morning...im really fine...i really believe he was lying about a girl living with him, he just wanted to hurt me. But what I realized this morning is, he is running, he is scared. So he has shut down, stopped trying & found someone else, he gave up on us, he did not want to take the lead. He knows exactly how i feel & he knew exactly what i wanted. So let him go back into his cave.. I living, laughing, singing, and moving....not waiting on him.... He is scared, he loves me, and does not know what to do....so run away. I love singing and dancing to the radio, and it feels like it helps me to feel alive.....im blessed.... thanks
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Post by Herenow on Apr 14, 2012 9:23:16 GMT -8
great for you Carolyn! It is great to work the program, fourth steps are powerful for me to see what is my part in any situation and it does bring the "thinking" brain back on line. I know for me just finding out through a third party that he had moved on (even though I was the one that ended it) made me a little nuts for a few days, so no doubt hearing directly from him would be devastating. But remember he has not changed, you are not the one involved with an unavailable person. You will be able to love yourself and enjoy your life no matter who is or is not with you. Take in and enjoy your own progress set backs and all, you are working your program and that takes initiative, self love and courage! Big hugs to you!
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Post by Loving My Life on Apr 14, 2012 10:00:39 GMT -8
Diane, I do love myself, and I am so used to thinking i did something wrong, when the truth of the matter is, I did not do anything wrong, i loved him unconditionally, and i thought he wanted to be with me, and my feeling have not changed in 2 years. Im just tired of being hurt. But it is his responsibility to take the lead, not me (im old fashioned). So once I looked at all of this last night on my 4th step, it became clearer. I know I have alot to offer someone, but im not beating my head against the wall to prove I love u and care about you. That is addict behavior. And I have came along way since i stopped drinking 3 years ago, and from being on this forum for 9 months. He loves me, and he is scared to death. And iam at peace again. I have to much love to give and life to live, to be taking on someone elses negative energy. And you know something else, i was always friends with my x-boyfriends, i just dont hold a grudge. im not that way... Im just a happy go lucky person. I dont like being mad, angry and upset. So thank god i have the tools in my toolbox, and my recovery friends to keep me balanced. Life is too short. Live and Let Live.... ;-)
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Post by mike1964 on Apr 14, 2012 12:16:25 GMT -8
I am so used to thinking i did something wrong, when the truth of the matter is, I did not do anything wrong, i loved him unconditionally, and i thought he wanted to be with me, and my feeling have not changed in 2 years. Im just tired of being hurt. ...... So once I looked at all of this last night on my 4th step, it became clearer. I know I have alot to offer someone, but im not beating my head against the wall to prove I love u and care about you. That is addict behavior. ...... I have to much love to give and life to live, to be taking on someone elses negative energy. Wow - Carolyn, I couldn't have that any better myself. That is EXACTLY the way I feel, too. Thanks for the reminder.
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Post by Loving My Life on Apr 15, 2012 3:27:34 GMT -8
Mike, it is these small moments of clarity, that are so very valuable. I just loved someone who was unlovable.....period. I know since thursday, and especially last night when i got home from the AA anniv...on sat night, i was just sitting on the couch, and for the first time in 2 years, i just did not care about my poa anymore, it just did not matter what he was doing. And i had another moment of clarity on my way to the meeting, i have been sober for almost 3 years, my poa drinks, now why in the world did i ever think i would want him kissing and hugging all over me, smelling of alcohol? this never crossed my mind until yesterday, 28 months later. So just one more thing to show me how much i was in denial, and one more reason to show me, we were not even close to being compatible. small moments of clarity. ;-)
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Post by Loving My Life on Apr 15, 2012 4:22:58 GMT -8
luv, that is what iam talking about, and is why we have to set our values, i know i cant be with anyone who drinks, im only fooling myself if i say i can, one kiss with alcohol on his breath, would probably cause me to relapse, i dont want that...and i see i was trying to make my poa change for me, i was trying to make him the person i wanted, instead of just enjoying who he was, so i was trying to play god again, and it does not work, and we will probably do this many many times in recovery as well, but as we grow in our recovery, we will not just settle in order to have a man in our life. It is the same with you and smoking, there are alot of people who dont smoke, as well as people who dont drink, we just have not met them yet. Good insight....
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Post by mike1964 on Apr 16, 2012 3:36:05 GMT -8
Hello again, everyone. I was "away" for a couple days and decided to read this thread from the beginning again. While there have been several profound posts I've read on this forum, this is UNDOUBTEDLY the best thread I've ever seen because it helped me view my LA behavior from the POA's perspective. While my behavior was not as drastic (at least, I don't think so, but I wasn't in POA's shoes, either), there were definitely those signs.
It is definitely very sobering to see the irritation factor of LA behavior, and I am SOOOO glad for BW starting this post and allowing us LA's see it from the other side. I must admit that I'm embarassed about my behavior, even though it was never really that bad ... just annoying, I imagine. In itself, this is a great assistance to my recovery.
BW - you absolutely did all the right things in trying to be nice in your attempt to stave away the LA behavior being addressed AT you. I don't think I could've done it better myself, and I understand how much it hurts to be stern when you're otherwise a very nice person. I always thought it would be nice to have that attention, but now you've made me think twicce about it. I couldn't imagine how draining it must have been. Oh, yes I can. I moved out of state 20+ years ago to get away from one, and she wasn't nearly that bad.
My POA had always said I was needy. And she was right, as I've learned more about LA, my inner child, and the root causes of our LA (and other addictive) behavioral patterns. That being said, my discovery about myself has also aided me in learning about my POA, and that she is even more unhealthy and needy than me, but in just different ways. I'm still addicted to her, but my head is slowly overtaking my heart, as I know she is really messed up herself, and we will NEVER have a healthy relationship so long as she doesn't address her own issues.
So after 2 years of essentially dropping to my knees, kissing her feet, with my arms wrapped around her legs and begging for her to be with me and to show me she loves me, I'm getting healthier myself and drawing boundaries. I've moved on, but haven't fully let go. I did send her a text last night basically saying that if she ever wants me to take her back, there is ALOT to overcome, more than she is aware of and is blind to, and that is why she shouldn't get her hopes up for there ever being a relationship again. It felt good to say that, rather than begging for her love and attention. She's a liar (and not just with me), and that is very difficult to overcome.
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Post by lacypooh on Apr 17, 2012 14:52:05 GMT -8
*sigh* It's not over! I am near tears with frustration...I am soo mad at myself. All I had to do was listen to my inner voice tell me not to get to know this man any further...I KNEW there was something not right. BUT NOOOO....I gave in to the attention *as admitted in this original post* UGH, UGH , UGH...I wish i could tell the WHOLE story, but I have decided to respect his privacy, even though he won't respect my right to be left alone. Anyway, I did listen to my gut in some ways, I took my time in some things. I have an OLD fb account that I used to correspond with him on. I didn't know him well enough to give him access to my current one, nor did he know I had it ( well he did from googling me) but anyway, I digress, so after my email block finally went through, I logged onto that old fb account to get some of my pics and upload to my pc when i see a msg from him. He even states that he wrote me there because he didnt think his emails where coming through....ugh!!! Don't ya think if ur emails aren't going through then I don't want your FB messages going through either?  ? He did the same thing when he thought I blocked his phone number, he said he used his cousins ""in case u blocked me"....wow...and to think he doesn't believe that he has a problem... Anyway, I know it seems as though I have no compassion for him ans I should, especially knowing how it is since I have been there, but it is honestly so disturbing to me, all I feel now is anger towards him and myself. I used to feel sympathy, I used to feel bad for him, but he refuses to admit he has a problem, which means he refuses to get help. Well.... there's nothing i can do for someone who doesn't want to face reality, so therefore, my life continues to be offset because i have no idea who he really is. I feel scared of a person who will go through such lengths just to contact me, when I clearly don't want to be contacted. I am even more scared because i have no idea who he is. I've never met this person, never even spoke on the phone. All i know is what he has told me, which was very elusive, a very elusive name, what I believe to be fake pictures, no other friends on his fb( he says his old accnt was deleted) could be true...but that still doesn't help me know who you are..... travels internationally all the time so there's no way for me to pin point his location. He could be a woman for all I know. I HAVE NO IDEA WHO HE IS...and he knows what seems to be everything about me, even though i took precautions to limit my info ( used a new email address to correspond, old fb page, only gave him my middle name, didn't even give him my city when he asked......yet he knows all those things anyway...... and every time i think it's over BAM.....another message..... Ughhh I'm sooooo upset right now!!!!!
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Post by LovelyJune on Apr 18, 2012 3:51:55 GMT -8
Why are you so upset? It is 100% within your power to walk away from this person and never deal with him (or her!) again. It might help to list ways in which you can continue to live your life or get it back, despite finding correspondences from him.
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Post by Loving My Life on Apr 18, 2012 4:14:43 GMT -8
BW, alot of what your talking about is how my poa did me, and i could not get him to stop, this is why it did no good to block him, he would just get a new phone and call from that number.. (psycho). Something that might help, tell him your going to the police and the phone companies and internet providers and file a stalking and harrassment charges against him. I was not totally aware of this, but i was his poa, and he was stalking and harrassing me. My crazy thoughts was oooh he really loves me. Just be aware, yes it is scary when you think about it. creepy.
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Post by lacypooh on Apr 18, 2012 17:04:20 GMT -8
Thanks for the suggestions guys. lj, I'm upset because none of this would have started if I would have just listened to my gut. I know it already happened and I need to accept my choices, but I am finding that hard to do. I am also upset because this is the only place I can discuss an issue like this and yet he has access here too...it's like everywhere I think I'm safe to "vent" about him, he sends me a correspondance discussing whatever I write. For instance, last night when I got on fb, I had a message from him saying "by the way, I'm not a woman!!" Which was a direct response to THIS thread. Oh! But this just gave me a great idea, I CAN block him from messaging me on fb because I can set my privacy so that only certain people can message me, yes! Carolyn...believe it or not I have told him about the investigator I know and that got him to leave me alone for a few days, but then he came back worse then ever saying he doesn't want to leave based on a threat..... I delete 98% of his messages without reading them, the other ones I click on just to tell him to leave me alone. But I have decided that sense this is my place to come and vent, share, heal, grow, etc, if i need to discuss this situation ( despite him having access to it) I will, without regard to his feelings on it. Just the way it has to be.
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Post by Loving My Life on Apr 18, 2012 17:43:14 GMT -8
BW, yes he sounds like he has some serious boundary issues. i just would not even acknowledge him at all, if you can. Hang in there. I know it is upsetting to you. Men why do they feel it is there right...you say no, and they think you really mean yes.
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Post by lacypooh on Apr 18, 2012 18:33:28 GMT -8
Very true Carolyn, also, going back to your previous post on this thread, it is very important to set our values. I have toyed with this idea since I read LJ's thread on it and at first I couldn't determine what my values where and what things to set as such. For example I felt "bad" for saying I can't date someone who smokes. I was thinking that I am being too picky, but the truth is that smoke makes me gag, I don't like the smell of it, and it makes my eyes water. I wouldn't be comfortable around someone who smokes, especially not in a dating sense, so, why not make it a value?
Despite my reasoning above, I still have times when I feel guilty about making things a value.
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Post by Herenow on Apr 19, 2012 4:51:37 GMT -8
butterfly if you still feel guilty about setting and sticking to your boundaries (like no smoking) then dig in deeper to working on yourself. Get your self esteem boosted, develop your life and self and then it will be easier, actually a no brainer, to hold to your values. Its like I was taught I had to like everyone, everyone had to like me so I had to shape shift to meet someone else's wants. But the reality is if I am authentically me then there are things, and behaviors that reflect me and my likes/dislikes etc. and these define me. In otherwords you really want to value your own uniqueness. The more you know yourself, the more you hold to what matters most to you, the more you will listen to your gut.
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Post by lacypooh on Apr 19, 2012 16:58:49 GMT -8
Diane, awesome post, thank you.
Yes, I do still feel guilty and agree that I need to improve my self esteem. I've been telling myself that for awhile now =).
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Post by lacypooh on Apr 20, 2012 14:19:43 GMT -8
LUV, it's an excellent suggestion to block him, you'd be surprised that I have tried to block him, I was successful in doing so on my phone, but with email I block him and the emails were still getting through, I even canceled or closed the account but they were still getting through. For facebook, he would cancel his acct so I wasnt able to block him because the persons account has to be valid in order to do so. It has truly been like trying to tame water, it always slips through the cracks. I have not given him any indication that I want this to contianue, in any way shape or form, and a threat from the authorities didn't stop him either. Sometimes the POA does keep us dangled on their line of hope, but this was not the case here.
I've found some other things to stop him from contacting me, HOPEFULLY they work.
Believe me, I've been nothing but clear that this is not wanted.
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Post by lacypooh on Apr 27, 2012 15:26:44 GMT -8
Mirror, Mirror on the wall...
I remember when I was at my worst with my exPOA, I would "accidently" text him something that made no sense just so he would respond and then hopefully a real conversation with start between us, even though "I meant to text someone else"....I always had an excuse. Sometimes this approach worked, most times it didn't. My poa would respond with "huh", or "what are u talking about" and then I would say " oh my bad, I text the wrong person by mistake" most of the times he would just say "ok" and that'd be the end of it.
Well, I experienced the random , accidental text the other day myself. The text simply said "done," it was a number I didn't recognize. I was confused at first, but then I thought....oh I know who this is. For some reason it was important for me to get him to admit who he is, but I quickly came to my senses and just blocked the number out.
The best advice I received about this situation was to block his attempts to reach me, any and all of them, without any response. The good thing is that I'm not as aggravated by having another stalker ----I pray for him, and I am free to go on about my life, rather he contacts me or not.
But for those of us here who are still caught by the grip of addiction, keep working and focusing on yourself. Those tricks you play and times when you think you are being "slick", your POA is on to you....and knows those accidental texts were on purpose, the times you just happened to be passing by his/her home was completely intentional, and the countless other attempts of gaining his/her affection that u thought he/she didn't notice.
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Post by lacypooh on Apr 27, 2012 17:31:14 GMT -8
Requin, I have no idea, I followed the instructions and yet still, his emails kept getting through, so I tried to just block his email address, it still went through, I was so confused I even asked HIM how come it wasn't working. It was hotmail, but eventually the block went through, maybe it just took time, I don't know.
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Post by lacypooh on Apr 27, 2012 18:12:25 GMT -8
requin,
I have my email set to go to my phone. How I knew I had emails from him is because my phone alerted me. How it happened AFTER I closed the account I have no idea, but it only added to my frustration. I did not enjoy waking up to ten plus email alerts on my cell phone from a person I did not want to hear from, so, when i couldn't close the account, I tried to just block his email....of course those got through also. I was one step away from calling hotmail, I didn't know if it were possible to actually reach someone, but I was p.i.s.s.e.d that nothing I did was working. This person was still getting to reach me after I explicitly told him not to.
I know that some of us here think it is on the POA with the thought that " my emails go through, so that means he/she still wants me to contact them" but honestly, if u are emailing, texting, calling someone with little to NO response THAT is the response. It isn't on the POA to block our emails, it's on us to realize that the person on the receiving end doesn't want our emails or keeps us around to get some sort of ego boost.
Regardless if i physically blocked him or not ( which I tried to) I asked him, then told, then DEMANDED, then threatened him to STOP. It was on HIM to honor and respect my boundaries, which he did not.
So we can't base our lives on what the POA is or isn't doing, we have to take control of our own lives and actions and realize when we are being intrusive rather the POA has blocked us or not.
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Post by lacypooh on Apr 27, 2012 18:21:58 GMT -8
When I was in addiction, I emailed the hell out of my poa. I emailed him to tell him I realized the error of my ways, I emailed him, to tell him I wish he would realize his. I emailed to PREACH to him about how (our shared HP) would frown on his behavior and how I feared for his salvation. I emailed him to tell him when tragic things happened in my life. I emailed him any and everything I thought would get a response, there was never a response. The only time he responded was when HE had something to say, and it never had anything to do with my emails to him. But I didn't care because he had finally emailed me. I was taking whatever he was willing to throw at me, SstuffS!!
But, even before I learned of LA, I realized that he didn't care about MY emails , my words, my thoughts, feelings, revelations, etc.....if he did he would RESPOND, he would reach out when I reached out to him. He never blocked me, in fact, I could probably email him right now, but I won't and haven't because it was never on him to do so, but on me to realize that I don't need to waste my time emailing someone who could care less about what I have to say.....so the point is for us to take back our power that we have so freely given to the POA. Don't wait for them to block you for you to stop , continue to build yourself up and stop yourself.
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