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Post by runrunrun on May 16, 2012 13:59:21 GMT -8
I had a dream the other night that I was dating a really really hot guy. In my dream I was wondering why this guy was with me. As in why would a hot guy be with me? When I woke up I realized that I have never been attracted to any of the men I was ever with. I found my husband slightly attractive. But none of the other guys was I even remotely attracted to.
So now I am wondering why is this. Why do I get into relationships with men I am not attracted to. Could it be possible that I find someone in the future that I am attracted to and who is also attracted to me?
I think this all comes down to self esteem. Maybe deep down I have always felt like I could not attract a nice looking guy. Maybe I dont think I deserve one. I dont know.
But if you have feedback or have experienced the same thing please post here. This is something worth exploring for when I do decide to date again.
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Post by Chosen on May 16, 2012 14:52:45 GMT -8
You're asking for "same experience" but I'm sharing this although I'm on the "other side". Because perhaps it may be good to know that being on the other side is no good or no fun. (We really need balance.) However, I think your case is better than mine.
Since my relatives are known for their good looks, I tend to choose attractive people also. I used to think that they have to be attractive because I want my children to be attractive too. But my HP taught me a HARD LESSON that I should not based them on their external appearance but on their internals. This is a recent learning for me.
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Post by loveanimals on May 16, 2012 16:19:23 GMT -8
I am also on the other side, tend to choose PoAs who are extremely attractive so that there is a physical high but not really looking much on the inside, just if he is a "nice" guy it's a bonus.
Good point that your HP Chosen taught you about looking at their internals.
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Post by Healing Ku'uipo on May 16, 2012 19:04:42 GMT -8
Ive gone for guys that are kinda attractive but broken. Broken and needing to be fixed. Like I dont have enough problems already! Last guy I liked wore clothes with holes in them, little unmended stuff like that. His clothes and his life needed to be fixed. My dad did that too....
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Post by runrunrun on May 17, 2012 3:43:10 GMT -8
requin and healing, I think I could have written those posts. Exactly how I feel. My lack of self esteem dates way back to childhood. I too felt like I could not attract any nice or nice looking guy. Which is why I got into and stayed in relationships with guys I was not attracted to (not even on the inside) and guys who needed fixing.
But now we know what the issue is how do we go about changing our ways for future relationships? I think that is a huge question that is probably going to have multiple layers of answers.
I am so done with bad relationships. I would honestly prefer to remain single the rest of my life than go into another bad relationship.
Thanks for the replies.
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Post by runrunrun on May 17, 2012 13:10:08 GMT -8
requin, it is a big step. I remember feeling the same way when I broke up with my poa. It was a huge sense of relief. Like thank God and now I can focus on me. Glad you took that step. The emotional attachment does go away. And you will find yourself thinking of him less and less. Thats one of the great things about recovery.
I need more of a social life and like your suggestions. I have removed all the unhealthy people from my life (yay) leaving just me, my daughter and a handful of friends in my running club.
And I too dont need to be spending my time on a man or a relationship right now. I have too much recovery left to do before that.
Thanks for the replies.
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Post by runrunrun on May 19, 2012 3:15:56 GMT -8
Luv, its an interesting subject. I wonder if there are any good books, web pages, seminars or anything on this subject. This is something i need to tackle before dating again. Or else I will find myself back in the old rut.
Any ideas?
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Post by gordana on Jun 14, 2012 3:36:00 GMT -8
This is a great topic, one I can definitely relate too. This is where I am in life right now. I am presently seeing a therapist. A decision made so I can explore myself and the reasons for choosing men I don,t really like or not attracted to. So, she has asked me to think about why I choose those men. I realize it is because, they are choosing me, and I feel like so wanted and needed by them. My last poa was crazy about me at first, and withdrew in a few months. It was his attention I was attracted to. That s all. But then there was less and less of that . I have been single now again, for almost 3 years, and my therapist suggests that it is my turn to choose now. That is so much different than what I am used to. Because I feel not good enough with men that I really want. Good looking, educated, nice man. I feel i dont deserve it, because I am not as smart, as nice, as attractive. Thanx for starting this thread, but its time to get to work. I will return here, very good topic gordana
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Post by lilila on Jun 14, 2012 10:03:14 GMT -8
This is very interesting. Actually I´m the other way around, I only choose men I´m physically attracted to, so I don´t really bother about their values and how they treat me.
And since they know they are attractive, they tend to be a bit narcisistic and I always end up feeling less. If at first it´s a boost to my self esteem to be with someone who is clearly attractive, after a while I get very insecure because it´s always about them - they´re the priority.
I´m not sure how to get the shift on me, to concentrate on my needs and wants and self esteem.
With my last poa it was a tricky situation because I wasn´t physically attracted to him in the beginning, I just saw him as a good friend. I always thought he would be the ideal partner if only I found him attractive! But then when we did become involved it was still all about him. Turned out he was avoidant so he managed the whole relationship on his terms. I also discovered that while he wasn´t physically attractive, he did have the ability to be extremely charming, so there were lots of women attracted to him.
He left me feeling terrible, with my self esteem completely destroyed. So I think the dynamics of the relationship ultimately become similar, even if you´re with a seemingly different sort of person. It´s probably more important to have solid self esteem, which of course is always the difficult part.
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Post by overcome on Jun 14, 2012 15:41:01 GMT -8
I have the same problem and I wonder if I'll ever overcome it. People always talk about going for the nice guys even if you're not attracted to them at first...but how long can that go on for? I mean how are you supposed to enjoy being physically intimate with someone you don't find attractive? I don't understand how other women have done it. I just don't. And even the unattractive ones are pushing for more physical action earlier than you would like.
Are there any attractive men out there that aren't caught up in their looks and don't have massive issues? Or is that just a pipe dream?
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Post by changedman on Jun 14, 2012 15:53:21 GMT -8
Overcome: "Are there any attractive men out there that aren't caught up in their looks and don't have massive issues? Or is that just a pipe dream?"
I don't think I'm that attractive but there are those who kind of think so. Let's just say I'm close to being attractive, I don't let it get into my head. And I know a lot of attractive men who don't either. We are aware that our physical attractiveness can only bring us to a certain point. Not a big thing.We are all equal as a whole.
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Post by overcome on Jun 14, 2012 18:32:20 GMT -8
changedman - yeah, I hear about you nice, semi-attractive guys - I just don't seem to attract them :-).
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Post by changedman on Jun 14, 2012 19:12:47 GMT -8
Probably they don't have good taste. But you never know who is waiting for you out there, he could be your attractive type. 
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Post by gordana on Jul 29, 2012 6:35:13 GMT -8
I am dating a guy I was attracted to at dances I attended. We enjoyed dancing together at every dance. So, we went on a couple of dates. He took me dancing, and I had a lot of fun with him. I laugh a lot when I am with him. Yesterday we went to a park. He told me many stories about himself, and we did a few kisses. But i don't fine him very physically attractive. Actually, he has a god physique, but I am not sure about the face. How lame, right? That I am so analytical, and so picky. He has been nothing less than a gentleman when with me. The only thing he will not tell me is his age, and it is starting to bother me. I think there might be a big age difference, him being maybe 15 years older than me. I am not sure what to do, because there are no fireworks here like I had with my last poa. Any advice anyone?
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Post by simplyme on Mar 6, 2013 15:08:32 GMT -8
I'm the exact same way. According to society's standards, I'm quite attractive. But I somehow only find interest in guys who aren't attractive - a solid 6-7 out of 10 at most on scale of 1-10. I find it's because they treat you like queens and are more into you then into themselves. I finally just realized too that I can't date guys without any issues because it makes me feel like I'm abnormal. But I find I'm drawn towards guys who have baggage/issues because it makes me feel better about myself. Does anyone experience that as well? Is that normal?
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Post by honey on Mar 22, 2014 17:30:00 GMT -8
I am also an attractive girl. but I always attract the guys who are less than me! I have heard of that from my other girl friends but I also think they have too much issue with themselves. First of all, I have found that I am not interested into healthy, emotionally mature partners because I am not emotionally stable and mature. I had a guy who was really interested in me but I did not like his appearance at all. but after 2 years when I saw him, I have found that he wasnt that ugly I saw him at the first date! God Give me the power to overcome this addiction. Amen
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Post by weepingwillow on Jul 8, 2014 8:20:20 GMT -8
I have a similar thing going on. My ex ex wasn't attractive, I found his body horrible, and the way he walked (I feel terrible saying that!), but he needed to be "fixed" and I wanted to fix him. He treated me really well, but he was broken. I was with him for 2 years. My current PoA I am extremely attracted to, and I'm putting that above his compulsive lying and manipulation. Sort of funny how the tables have turned? I'm an attractive girl as well, but have always gone for men that I'm not that attracted to. This time my PoA pursued me, this attractive, sexy man, and I'm bending over backwards to be with him after the way he's treated me.
Talk about ironic! Haha
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Post by havefaith on Jul 8, 2014 11:07:37 GMT -8
Well said, Paisley. My ex POA triggered all sorts of unresolved adolescent issues. He did not appeal to the adult in me. He appealed to the wounded 15-year old adolescent who lives inside my brain (she is slowly growing up through intensive psychodynamic therapy). My ex POA is a love and intimacy avoidant sex addict, who is nearly broke because of cross-addiction into gambling ($40,000 in gambling debts at last count), and is obsessed over young girls (bordering on pedophilia). He is a classic 'bad boy' but is really a 53 year old man with some serious issues who does not appeal to emotionally healthy and mature women. He preys on addicts like himself (AA and SLAA meetings, which is where I met him) because those are the only women he appeals to. And yes, he appealed to me. Or, shall I say, the wounded adolescent in me that is (was) trying to fix what went so terribly wrong all those years ago (being covertly incested by my mother).
Like you Paisley, I am working on being turned off by men such as these.
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Post by weepingwillow on Jul 8, 2014 18:05:32 GMT -8
Paisley and havefaith, that was an eye opener for me! It is true how we get into these relationships with distant and avoidant men, because they bring something out in us from our childhood/adolescence. I found with my ex ex, he wasn't that attractive, but he treated me well. He was still avoidant to a degree, and broken, but he would never abandon me, and I felt safe. With my current PoA, I'm always emotional when he distances, I'm afraid of losing him, I know it's not good for me, but it is as though I am my 15 year old damaged self with mummy issues and trauma. It's like I've regressed again.
Definitely going to bring this up in therapy! I think it's very important to be mindful of those that make us regress emotionally, and those that make us progress - no matter how uncomfortable we may feel with a man that we can trust.
Maybe that's it? We're attracted to unavailable men because we know they're going to abandon us, it's familiar territory and we're used to that behaviour, we can predict it. The available kind hearted men won't, they're not going with the familiar abandonment pattern we're so used to, it's out of our comfort zone, and we're unsure and scared of "true love".
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Post by Jacarandagirl on Jul 10, 2014 11:13:21 GMT -8
Good on you paisley for your insight about yourself and being strong enough to begin to heal yourself after a neglected childhood. You have amazing insight. I'm really glad that you have a great recovery network around yourself.
You talk about the future and the possibility of dating and falling in love, or not, with a man you know. It makes me think that, prior to getting into recovery, I had always held "falling in love" as the best thing that can happen to me. I am realising that it is the drug element of that that I craved. The endorphin hit. Now, in recovery, falling in love appears to be one of the most blind things that happen to a person. Risky and out of control. A wanton throwing away of responsibility. I wonder if I will ever experience an alternative- growing to love someone slowly and with full vision of who they are.
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Post by weepingwillow on Jul 10, 2014 17:07:40 GMT -8
Thank you for sharing your story Paisley! I relate to it a lot. My father was away for long periods when I was younger due to work, and my mother was often in this cycle of hot and cold as a child, so I would always be bending over backwards to get the love and affection I needed from her - but never did. My relationship with my mother has been tumultuous to say the least.
But I do think it stems from a fear of abandonment and untrusting actions. I pick men like my mother, that I have to try and win their affection and fix them, because if I do, then I will receive the love I never had as a child. I'm looking for that "true love", but I seem to pick narcissists that cannot provide it for me, and that play with my mind - much like my mother did growing up. My new PoA is very narcissistic, and I do not trust him at all. When he met my mother they constantly played mind games throughout the night, testing each other, and she hated him. He is a compulsive liar, and I do really think he is cheating on me. I can feel it in my gut, but I'm finding it hard to let go.
I just want to change him, I want to change him into someone that will love me and care for me. I feel as though I have no self worth, but I'm holding onto this picture of him in my mind deluding myself that I do love him, when instead I think I love the pain because it's familiar. I keep attracting these aloof, cold and damaged men into my life, and I'm attracted to them as well. I think because deep down I feel worthless, I feel as though no one will ever love me because I'm unlovable. I have never felt loved from my mother, and I go for men that cannot love others and reinforce this feeling of worthlessness I have inside.
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Post by Jacarandagirl on Jul 11, 2014 14:21:31 GMT -8
Paisely, I am fumbling my way into some kind of relationship where at the very least I'm not falling for the guy like a ton of rocks- thank god. I'm really grateful because i don't ever want to be that blind again. Left to my own devices I pick unavailable, very sick men to fall for. The healthy ones I am not attracted to once I see I'm not going to get swept away and blinged by either-the drama, or the sex, or just my own fantasy.
Right now it feels awkward and I don't like who I am with him, when I come away and think about all the arrogant, naive things I said. The oversharing. Even when I am trying not to, I cannot help them coming out of my mouth. Trying to walk this road, if it is the rpad of a healthy rel, I don't know yet, is full of challenges and is scary. To accept myself. I am full of self rejection. And a tiny bit of letting myself have something nice. When you are here then you can tell me how you cope with it! I'm finding out I was still heavily imagining how it was going to be when I found someone nice to try out a rel with, and it's nothing like that. So much less romantic.
Sorry to post all this on your thread. I'm a bit of a mess, needing to go and I'm either going to hit delete or risk leaving it here. I'm going to leave it.
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