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Post by Susan Peabody on Apr 20, 2008 20:01:39 GMT -8
From The Art of Changing by Susan Peabody
Clinical (biological) depression is a chemical disorder and can often be corrected with antidepressants.(See my personal journey below.) Emotional depression often needs talk therapy or a dose of cognitive therapy, which is outlined in Dr. Burn's book, Feeling Good. Depression has to be dealt with. My formula for treating depression is as follows: 1. Practice positive thinking. Replace all negative thoughts with positive ones. There are a lot of books about how to do this. My favorite is The Power of Positive Thinking. 2. Avoid self-pity. Self concern for brief periods when things are tough is ok. But don't get stuck in self-pity. 3. Be grateful. Gratitude is not an emotion, it is an "attitude." Think about the good things in your life. Thank some kind of higher power for the basics in your life. Gratitude when things are going wrong is the best kind of gratitude. 4. Find a therapist, what I call an "enlightened witness" to help you heal from past trauma or "family of origin" issues. Once you have gone over the pain of your past, vent with your therapist each week. If you can't afford therapy find a friend to be your "enlightened witness." End each session with a brief list of what you are grateful for. 5. Talk to your doctor about anti-depressants. You may have to experiment to find the right one. 6. Consider embracing spirituality. Nothing will lift your spirits like feeling loved by some form of "Higher Power." 7. Get out of bed even if you don't want to. If you can, get out of the house. 8. Bathe even if you don't want to. 9. Phone a friend. If you don't have one, find one. 10. Love yourself unconditionally. You are a child of God. You are special. Embrace this attitude even if you have to fake it at first. Personal Journey I have suffered from depression since I was eight years old. I can see the pain on my face in old photographs of myself taken while I was growing up. Over the years, I used mood-altering experiences, such as eating, getting drunk, and falling in love, to ease the pain. Eventually, these experiences stopped working and the depression overwhelmed me. I became suicidal. When I got into therapy and joined a support group, I felt better. As I worked through childhood issues, began to love myself, and found the joy of spirituality, the pain eased and I thought I would never be depressed again. Then, in 1990, I was struck down with a debilitating depression. It came out of nowhere. I didn't understand it at first, but every day when I woke up in the morning I cried because I didn't want to face the day. I didn't know what was happening. I went back to therapy and tried to do more grief work. I continued my reparenting. I also pushed myself to go to my support group and to show up at work. The depression grew worse, and eventually the pain was so bad that I wanted to die. I was tired all the time because I couldn't sleep. My appetite went away, and I lost a lot of weight. Eventually, my body was under so much stress that I broke out in hives. I was covered with huge welts. The hives worsened and my eyes and lips became hideously swollen. Then the histamine under my skin turned bloody. Steroids helped a little, but nothing took away the problem. Eventually, I collapsed from all of the stress and my doctor sent me to see a psychopharmacologist a psychiatrist who approaches emotional disorders with drugs to correct abnormal or faulty body chemistry. I remember getting a minor traffic ticket while driving to his office. I started crying and couldn't stop. When I arrived at the therapist's office I was a mess. I was prepared to talk about my problems with this new therapist. However, he didn't want to hear the story of my life; he just wanted to ask me some questions. I answered them and he looked at me with great tenderness in his eyes. He said, "Susan, I believe your problem is chemical. I don't think talk therapy is going to help you this time." The doctor then gave me an article about clinical depression. I resisted the idea of being clinically depressed, although my family had a history of this problem. I absolutely did not want to take medication because both my mother and sister had become addicted to narcotics prescribed by a doctor. (Later I learned that they had become addicted to painkillers in an attempt to mask their depression.) Because I was afraid of medication, I suffered for a few more weeks. Then, one day I couldn't stand it anymore. With tears in my eyes, I called my doctor and agreed to give the medication a try. If the medication had not worked so quickly, I would have suspected that my condition had improved on its own without intervention. However, within days of taking the medication, I was sleeping through the night. The hives disappeared and I came alive again. I was not high, I just felt good because my body was not in so much pain. And I was ready to go back to growing and changing through self-help groups, therapy, and positive thinking. Today, I understand depression in all its many forms, and I realize that different kinds of depression require different treatments. Leave no stone unturned. Get help. Most of all, learn to love yoursef. Low self-esteem is a major cause of depression.
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Post by rosemay on Apr 21, 2008 2:28:31 GMT -8
I have been on a slow downward spiral and I am amazed how difficult it is to get help. I called a therapist in March, got in relatively quickly, then had to wait a month for the next appointment.
I am ready to get on meds, I have to do something, this is a slow death, but I have had to wait until May 6 for an appt with someone who can diagnose and prescribe.
Meanwhile I've developed a horrid sleep disorder, I have probably had less than 5 good nights sleep since February. So I am running on sheer exhaustion most of the time.
Is this recovery? No wonder people go back to whatever it is that medicates them. I am not giving up, but this is a bottom for me in my life.
So yeah, I can relate to depression and feeling the feelings in recovery.
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Post by amiramaile on Apr 21, 2008 3:39:21 GMT -8
I'm depressed. Sometimes I feel ok, then I feel bad again. The meds seem to do only so much. Not everything. My depression paralyses me and I am unable to do anything, any chores, work, sleep etc. It is a really bad feeling. I wish I could make it go away.
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Post by starkeeper on Apr 21, 2008 6:14:31 GMT -8
I have dealt with depression most of my life. Right now, I've really begun to see how I used the fix of fantasies to at times to feel better. Of course, I then go down hill. Had a bad weekend. Not on meds because the side effects were too bad to keep working. I isolate myselt at times. Feel I not good company. NOt good though. I Have attended a group for years, called Recovery Inc. they are free and workdwide I think. Originally based in Chicago. I have found support and help for years.. Sort of change your thoughts change yhour behaviour approach. going tues. Force myself to keep moving, Sometimes, just moving muscles get s the rest going. Not easy, trying to get outside, got dog who needs care. Watching diet,, Try to help others sometimes so I don't thing of myself. ONe day at a time. for now.
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Post by Susan Peabody on Apr 21, 2008 18:38:04 GMT -8
Feeling better today. I went to see my therapist. I lay on her couch and cried like a baby. It is all about letting go, acceptance and knowing that depression has a life span that it shorter than forever.
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Post by carrie on May 12, 2008 10:27:57 GMT -8
I'm feeling depressed too. I took a new job that was supposed to involve travel.. I told them upfront I did not want to work at home.. and one week into it they told me the travel budgets were frozen.
So I have been working at home feeling very isolated. I have to find a new job.
But also, now that I am on 8 days of NC I realize how addicted I was to fantasy and now need to face my real life.
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Post by Rainbows Always on Jun 7, 2008 6:19:40 GMT -8
Tonight I feel depressed. the "Black Dog" is upon me again. He visits over the last 11 yrs and it sux. I ended 4 yr r'ship 4 weeks ago. Well 7 mths ago but we hooked again (one last try) but after 2 weeks I ended it. I know it is the right thing to do .I still love him.
Ive tried meds, therapy, all sorts over the 11 yrs ...tonight/today/last few weeks I have just lost momentum in my life and I cant seem to be bothered to do anything to get it back. I am stuck in apathy and darkness. I just cant be bothered, and everything requires humongous amounts of energy to attend just the basics.
I havent got the energy to send the black dog away. I want to curl up in bed and "be still", but to isolate is exactly what the black dog likes. It makes him more persistent to stay.
Thanks for listening (reading)
rainbows
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Post by Flash on Jun 7, 2008 8:57:10 GMT -8
Rainbows-
I know exactly how you feel. I was doing good with NC, then sent an email. Received an email, sent a few more. Now it has started all over in my head. I feel like I need to get some contact back, but I know her email to me was a one shot deal. So, basically I just started the sickeness all over and I have to go through all the bad part again. So I feel the same way you do about losing momentum...But...I am going to fight it this time.
Getting outside and getting some fresh air might be a bit of a start. Is it winter in Australia yet? Walking outside in the cool air can be uplifting.
I have a dog that makes me smile. Did you ever think of getting an actual "black dog" - maybe a lab. They are great happy dogs. The symbolism could help you "make friends" with the depression and move on. Dogs are great for getting you outside and meeting people.
Anyway, I don't know how to solve my own problems, but I will keep trying. I wish you the best and hope your day brightens.
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Post by londonlibby on Jun 7, 2008 11:52:30 GMT -8
Rainbows - hang on in there. I've been battling depression since I was 8. Tried it all too, to get over it. Only thing that helps me now is knowing the phase WILL pass, the intensity lessens, the black dog backs off. Things that help (a bit - and a bit is the port in a storm) : connecting with nature. meditation. Doing good things for my body, be in warm baths or riding or swimming or steaming.
You have your own box of tools - drag it out, and see what's in there to use.
I feel for you - it's not a good life-long companion, be well,
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Post by Rainbows Always on Jun 9, 2008 0:16:05 GMT -8
Thanks guys, feeling a it better today. Dropped my daughter off at school today, climbed back into bed...oh so tired. Had a quick nap (insomnia at night). felt the pity pot coming on, so with help of serenity prayer dragged my sorry butt out of bed. Had showered, got waxing done at beautician that was long overdue and then slowly the momentum picked up, I was able to do a few things round house that needed doing...paying bills etc.
It was hard lying there in bed, it was so nice to zone out, coz when Im in bed I am responsibility free....Im not a mum, I can just be me...be sad if I need too. but I had awareness today at that moment...sit here and mope OR get up and get moving. I took the later . That was great as most times i do not get the 'awareness" that Im even there until 5 days later where i go"oh, I think Im depressed!!) Der!!
So I called my sponsor, who I havent called in weeks and she was great. She's been in 12 steps for 30 yrs and is so spiritual. She loves me unconditionally even when i neglect to keep in daily contact with her.
When "I grow up" I want to be just like her. She's so inspiring and insightful. She reminded me of how far Ive come on my journey, she always makes me feel proud of myself. And she always reminds me to "ACCEPT" where i am at. Her advise to me today "you have to love that black dog and accept he is hear in this moment. Dont hate him. You've had enough to hate all your life"
How wonderful. When I did accept that he was here "just for today" or just for the hour, as our saying goes...it lifted and Ive done all sorts this arvo and even baked a cake for my daughter.
So today I used my tools to get me out of the "darkness". My tools today were outreach calls (on this board), calling my sponsor, prayer, action (all the stuff i know to be good for me.."fake it til you make it".
I also made a decision not to isolate and to make a few phone calls Id been puttting off. The black dog is still there, but he's lying at my feet at the moment. there but manageable!!
the best book I EVER EVER read about depression was one called "i had a black dog". Its a visual/pictorial book by Matthew Johnstone and is SSSOO amazing. Id recommend anyone who suffers depression to have a copy on your book shelf. I got mine out again today. It is wonderful to read. (his pictures are truly captivating, especially for a person who has the black dog)
rainbows
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Post by londonlibby on Jun 9, 2008 3:13:55 GMT -8
Good news rainbows - there's nothing like the feeling when a chink of light sneaks in, and the weight lifts a little. The tools! it's all in ammassing a number of tools, as we don't know which one(s) will 'work' the next time. But it's like our HP saying: OK, here's a box...I'll help you fill it, slowly, with what you need to get throught he bad times, live bright
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Post by Flash on Jun 9, 2008 4:42:27 GMT -8
Great! Rainbows, you are my inspiration today!
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Post by ~w~ on Nov 4, 2014 6:18:16 GMT -8
Tonight I am overwhelmed with depression. I cannot stop thinking about my PoA and fantasizing about the past times we shared. When I snap back into reality I am forced to face the ugly truth. I have none of the things I used to feel good about myself..... my PoA, my body, and liquor. I am trying to walk the "straight and narrow" and its killing me. Its going on month 4 and i still don't want to get out of bed. I hate myself and my life. I'd give anything to go back in time and fix things. I can't focus on anything... don't know what to do with myself.
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Post by sexlessw on Nov 4, 2014 6:23:45 GMT -8
MaddysMom:
Can you attend any 12 step programs or do something online to help yourself?
PoA can't solve anything for you. Not a darned thing. You connect with him perhaps drink too to avoid the turmoil inside.
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Post by yourfriend4ever on May 23, 2017 4:18:46 GMT -8
I have to deal with a depression that may be slight now, but annoying. I have been diagnosed with bipolar disorder in the past. And now, my medication works so well, that the place I go to for my mental health will only say I have OCD, with major depressive disorder. And I do have OCD, but not major depressive disorder. The major depressive disorder is really bipolar disorder. It really frustrates me that they won't say I am bipolar. And that they say I have major depressive disorder. Because it's not the truth! Anyway, I have some depression added to that slight depression because of the person I am addicted to. So, I may have more than slight depression because of him. At least, I feel that it is an added depression. I mean, I feel it wouldn't be there if it wasn't for that person. When he ignores me, I get depressed. And he's ignoring me now. And I'm here because he's ignoring me. And I want to be able to stop contacting him, for a while. And to not let him bother me so much. I want his ignoring me to not bother me so much. He keeps ignoring me, and then he always ends up talking to me again, but he always makes me wonder if he's ever even going to talk to me again, or when he will. I've never met him in person. I call him my "online friend". I met him online a long time ago. And we usually only text or email. Anyway, I guess that's the end of my post.
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Post by stepsandnumbers on May 23, 2017 5:17:38 GMT -8
I have to deal with a depression that may be slight now, but annoying. I have been diagnosed with bipolar disorder in the past. And now, my medication works so well, that the place I go to for my mental health will only say I have OCD, with major depressive disorder. And I do have OCD, but not major depressive disorder. The major depressive disorder is really bipolar disorder. It really frustrates me that they won't say I am bipolar. And that they say I have major depressive disorder. Because it's not the truth! Anyway, I have some depression added to that slight depression because of the person I am addicted to. So, I may have more than slight depression because of him. At least, I feel that it is an added depression. I mean, I feel it wouldn't be there if it wasn't for that person. When he ignores me, I get depressed. And he's ignoring me now. And I'm here because he's ignoring me. And I want to be able to stop contacting him, for a while. And to not let him bother me so much. I want his ignoring me to not bother me so much. He keeps ignoring me, and then he always ends up talking to me again, but he always makes me wonder if he's ever even going to talk to me again, or when he will. I've never met him in person. I call him my "online friend". I met him online a long time ago. And we usually only text or email. Anyway, I guess that's the end of my post. I can relate. It took years for me to finally be diagnosed as bipolar. I was given major depressive, generalized anxiety, and mood disorder NOS at different points in time. As a result I was on medications that made the bipolar symptoms worse. So don't give up. If you think it could help, maybe look for a different doctor who is more open to a collaborative approach with you. It's good that your medications are working now but it's important to get someone you can trust with your health! I had to stop seeing a doctor who kept pushing my concerns aside to the point I suffered severe complications that could have been avoided had I made the decision to seek better care earlier. I found a new one that seems like a better fit. I hope you can get answers that lead to the treatment that is best for your health. As for the person you're addicted to, his ignoring you is disrespectful and reveals his selfishness. The way it's off and on only keeps you hooked (intermittent reinforcement) and coming back for more despite his disregard for your emotions. It's unfair to you. You deserve relationships that are reciprocal. I hope you consider going no contact. It is a step toward not feeling "controlled" by the pull you feel, and though it hurts at first and is really hard, in the long run you will slowly notice the "need" to contact him diminish. I had a similar situation with a person I was addicted to. Contacting him over and over with him ignoring me hurt my self-esteem, yet it took a long time to stop. I found it helpful, once I was able to go full no contact, to write letters then immediately delete or tear them up. Eventually I got so good at it, that even if I thought I would send the letter while I was writing it, by the end I realized it was still best to tear it up.
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Post by yourfriend4ever on May 23, 2017 7:09:27 GMT -8
stepsandnumbers:
I don't believe it's all because of OCD that I have to contact him and say things, but I think OCD makes it harder, and I know sometimes I have to keep saying things because of OCD. How much do you think OCD plays a part in my having to contact him and my having to say things, and keep saying things? You don't know, do you?
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Post by Susan Peabody on May 23, 2017 10:18:11 GMT -8
Brighter Tomorrow My last therapist helped me identify the origin of my depression which started when I was 4 years old. My mother got sick and they shipped me off to my grandmother. I was 4 and they put me on the plane alone and told me to lie about my age. I was terrified. My grandmother was a narcissist and gave me enemas every night. I was terrified. I felt abandoned and did not know what was going on. I thought I must have done something wrong and was a "bad" girl. When I got home I had changed. I was quiet, moody, and depressed. I also had insomnia because my father was coming in to my bedroom at night to molest me. He told me I was so lucky to have my own room and it turned into a chamber or horrors. But it was also my escape from the bullies in the neighborhood. To this day my bedroom is both a positive and negative thing. My depression later increased when I was put in the hospital for six months and could not stop crying. I felt abandoned. When I got home the longing turned to anger and lashed out at others. All my life I have vacillated from depression and anxiety to anger. Then when I get angry and lash out I am ashamed. I finally broke the cycle when I turned to AA for my alcoholism. Then I discovered I was a love addict and the rest is history. Today my Higher Power lifts the depression one day at a time. Even when my daughter died I was hopeful about a brighter tomorrow. My inner child Susie today. 
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Post by stepsandnumbers on May 23, 2017 15:27:30 GMT -8
stepsandnumbers: I don't believe it's all because of OCD that I have to contact him and say things, but I think OCD makes it harder, and I know sometimes I have to keep saying things because of OCD. How much do you think OCD plays a part in my having to contact him and my having to say things, and keep saying things? You don't know, do you? I don't actually know for sure because I don't have experience with OCD, but it makes sense to me from the little I know it could definitely play a role. I have experienced obsessive thinking and difficulty controlling impulses (while hypomanic) but I don't realize it until later. I can generalize and say that mental illness does NOT make it easier. That's for sure.
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Post by stepsandnumbers on May 23, 2017 15:46:25 GMT -8
Brighter Tomorrow My last therapist helped me identify the origin of my depression which started when I was 4 years old. My mother got sick and they shipped me off to my grandmother. I was 4 and they put me on the plane alone and told me to lie about my age. I was terrified. My grandmother was a narcissist and gave me enemas every night. I was terrified. I felt abandoned and did not know what was going on. I thought I must have done something wrong and was a "bad" girl. When I got home I had changed. I was quiet, moody, and depressed. I also had insomnia because my father was coming in to my bedroom at night to molest me. He told me I was so lucky to have my own room and it turned into a chamber or horrors. But it was also my escape from the bullies in the neighborhood. To this day my bedroom is both a positive and negative thing. My depression later increased when I was put in the hospital for six months and could not stop crying. I felt abandoned. When I got home the longing turned to anger and lashed out at others. All my life I have vacillated from depression and anxiety to anger. Then when I get angry and lash out I am ashamed. I finally broke the cycle when I turned to AA for my alcoholism. Then I discovered I was a love addict and the rest is history. Today my Higher Power lifts the depression one day at a time. Even when my daughter died I was hopeful about a brighter tomorrow. My inner child Susie today.  Your story (the origin of your depression) makes me feel sad because it is not how children were meant to experience life. Part of us is always longing for a constant, safe, unconditional love from the earliest time we experience otherwise. We settle for imitations that bring us heartache, but the true source is always there to be found in our higher power (as a Christian, mine is also God). So we are not without hope, even though at times we cannot feel it due to depression. We can find restoration and peace. Thank you for sharing!
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Post by Susan Peabody on May 23, 2017 18:59:05 GMT -8
Brighter Tomorrow I had a spiritual awakening in 1982 but remained a closet agnostic in AA. A year ago I had an eventful conversion and I have come to believe that Jesus Christ is my savior. It has changed my life and my personality. I am so happy and feel so loved. Shortly thereafter I became homeless and didn't even care because my home is with God. The original AA members were Christian and felt that it was the Holy Spirit which guides us to recovery and sustains us in our journey.
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