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Post by Susan Peabody on Aug 17, 2012 16:58:05 GMT -8
From dkny . . . "I recently heard the phrase "Expectations are planned rejections. . . "Regarding expectations . . . They are waste of time. They are a vain attempt to control.They go against the third step (turning it over to God).They alter our mood but have a horrible hangover.They cancel out the virtue of humility.They are a manifestation of our ego and self-centeredness.They lead to disappointment most of the time. When they come true it is just a coincidence.They can sometimes be dangerous.They make others feel controlled and therefore alienated.They should not replace our dreams. Dreams are good. E are not.Love addicts like to turn fantasies into dreams into expectations. This is how they get hooked. They cannot accept reality and cut their losses.To quote my son Karl,
"It is okay to dream as long as you can let go and let God.
. . . to be continued
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Post by Susan Peabody on Aug 17, 2012 17:20:35 GMT -8
I suppose there is room for the idea of expectations when it comes to science. I can expect something to fall if I drop it. The law of gravity. You can also expect that if you do the same thing over and over again you will get the same result (from Einstein). But don't get trapped by the exception to the rule. For the most part one should beware of expectations. The whole purpose of the 12-Steps is to let go of control and exchange expectations for God's will for us. It changed my life because his plans for me were far greater than my plans for myself. As the book says, "my plans were too small."
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Post by wahinewha on Aug 18, 2012 2:39:47 GMT -8
How happy I feel inside when I read this great stuff!
My expectations of myself in the past have crippled me, so distroyed so many paths of oppurtunity.
Reading these positive words releases all that negativity I have carried through the years.
Thankyou Lord
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Post by requin on Aug 18, 2012 3:35:30 GMT -8
They make others feel controlled and therefore alienated. [/b] [/quote] This is what I keep doing, making friends, then expecting too much, which they see as controlling and unreasonable, and they stop being my friend. In fact they barely talk to me anymore, even after I apologize (or try to..). But I do'nt think I really knew what I was doing wrong. My POA used to constantly say I was pushy and I'd deny it. To the other person, expecting too much from them is being pushy. This is such a simple concept yet for some reason is very eye-opening to me right now. Thanks Susan. Now i have to keep it in mind and rely on HP rather than expecting ppl to do or say what I think they should do. Any tips on *not* having expectations?
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Post by Loving My Life on Aug 18, 2012 3:46:14 GMT -8
Susan thanks for sharing all of your knowledge, I love your input, it gives me comfort.
I have also read and heard..
"Expectation is a pre-meditated resentment"
Requin: it takes practice, practice, practice to not have expectations, becoming aware is the first step, i am much better about not expecting much from others, but i still have to watch myself....
Humans will always let us down, when we expect to much of them. sounds easy, but it is hard to do sometimes.
Also try and put yourself in the others person shoes, whether it is a friend,, boyfriend/husband, co workers, just people you run into on a daily basis, and this helps too.
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Post by Loving My Life on Aug 18, 2012 3:56:34 GMT -8
And something else I just thought about, when I first got sober in 2009 and I started working my steps, and I became aware that the world did not revolve around me, what?
I started to change the way I thought and my expectations of others lowered, and it is called in meetings, i became humble, none of this made alot of sense to me then, but it is a better way to live, because i dont stay so mad and upset with people.
We have no control over people, places or things, only our actions....
And one more thing and i will shut up, lol Always look at your motives, when your dealing with other people, are you doing something, expecting something in return?, or are you doing something because that is what you want to do, without expecting much in return?.
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Post by requin on Aug 18, 2012 3:56:31 GMT -8
thanks c, after reading and posting here, I was washing the dishes and thinking about this, and I did just that, i thought about how my behavior must have felt/looked to my friends I did this to..and wow, how mortifying. And all along I have been angry and saying they were the unreasonable ones. Yes their behavior towards me may have not been the greatest BUT if I had not expected certain behavior (high standards) then it would not be an issue.
I thought how no one (that I can think of offhand) has high expectations of me, like I have of everyone else! If they did I would react the same way everyone is reacting to me.
And yes humans are fallable, they will always let us down, so why do we even expect things from them in the first place. And we aren't mind readers either.
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Post by requin on Aug 18, 2012 3:59:20 GMT -8
The world doesn't revolve around me?? Wait what??? 
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Post by Loving My Life on Aug 18, 2012 4:07:57 GMT -8
Requin,
When I think about how I acted before I stopped drinking versus how I act now after being sober for 3 years and being on this forum, I would not have wanted to hang around me either.
Nobody could live up to my expectations,, not even me....I think I expected everyone to be perfect, because I was/am a perfectionist, and that just caused me alot on misery.
It is all we have to know better in order to do better.
Yes we can expect certain things from the people we date, the things we buy, but we just take it to the extreme, because of our addictions...so once we are aware of setting high expectations of others, we can start to make changes within ourselves, and just let people be who they are.
LIVE AND LET LIVE...
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Post by Loving My Life on Aug 18, 2012 4:14:01 GMT -8
Ha ha ha requin....I hope that did not put a damper on your day, to realize the world does not revolve around you either....it took me awhile for that to sink in as well. hugs
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Post by atlast on Aug 18, 2012 7:35:35 GMT -8
Too funny @ Requin's post. OMG so sad but so true!! ( I would never have seen the humor in this even 6 months ago! I did NEED this post bc I admit expectations have kept me miserable PERIOD. with friends, family, just people in general. No wonder no one could EVER measure up! I am so thankful for recovery and the wisdom I find from this board. There are just so many UNexpected treasures to be found here. 
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Post by Loving My Life on Aug 18, 2012 8:17:19 GMT -8
Atlast, this forum saved my life, and the longer your here the better your life gets.
We are never alone, and we can just speak our truth, and before you know it, you have a logical solution to your problem. What a blessing.
We can do together, what we could never do alone.
And my favorite: A problem shared is a problem cut in half....
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Post by atlast on Aug 18, 2012 8:32:40 GMT -8
LML
Yes I can see how, its always here to come to day or night without having to "disturb" anyone.
What a true blessing!
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Post by lilila on Aug 18, 2012 21:10:05 GMT -8
Requin, as for expectations, lately I´m trying to look at people as if they were characters in a film, sort of like "hmm let´s see what they will do next". Because they never do what you wish they´d do, I´m just accepting it and trying to enjoy it being curious about it.
Lately I´ve had a very bad experience and a very good one in this matter. The first one was when I was working with a group of friends from many years, all male. The "boss" started to bully me and became quite abusive, though I always thought he was my friend. I resigned and the others never even asked me how I was doing. So that was a huge let down. I don´t see any one of them as my friends anymore. But you know, in the end it wasn´t so bad because now I feel perhaps they never were very good friends to begin with. It kind of makes me proud of myself that I can decide to break up with them, instead of settling for a disrespectful treatment from them.
The good experience I had today when I got two flat tires while driving my car. I pulled over and my ex husband called right at that moment so I told him. He came right away and helped me out. Then, while he was doing that, a couple who were walking by decided to help too. They gave me a spare wheel to borrow while I got the other ones fixed. It was so unexpected, they had no obligation whatsoever to help me. So when those things happen you just have to be thankful, you know?
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Post by requin on Aug 19, 2012 5:01:38 GMT -8
great share, lil, amazing really how things go when we rely on HP...or in other words, have no expectations. I'm proud of you too for letting those guys go who didn't have anything to say about your resignation. that's the kind of thing tht would have set me off, Why don't they care about me, I thought we were friends, etc. You handled it w/ dignity and grace and maturity, excellently done.
Yes ppl can surprise us in their kindness too..but the key here is not to have expectations, otherwise how can we be surprised..and the surprise can be pretty neat.
I'm continuing to think about this concept of no expectations and going to try to keep working on it.
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Post by Susan Peabody on Aug 19, 2012 10:46:51 GMT -8
T he good experience I had today when I got two flat tires while driving my car. I pulled over and my ex husband called right at that moment so I told him. He came right away and helped me out. Then, while he was doing that, a couple who were walking by decided to help too. They gave me a spare wheel to borrow while I got the other ones fixed. It was so unexpected, they had no obligation whatsoever to help me. So when those things happen you just have to be thankful, you know?Don't you just love this. It is called "pay it forward," or "passing it on." These things happen to me all the time. I have come to understand that God does not prevent bad things, but he does take the sting out of bad things by opening a window or sending someone along to keep you company. Before AA I never noticed this. I give credit to God rather than just saying it is a coincidence because it makes me feel loved. Of course this all leads to looking at the glass half full which displaces such things as fear, anger, and depression. Let's go back to the topic, "expectations."
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Post by diamond on Aug 19, 2012 12:11:26 GMT -8
Interesting thread! But here's where I struggle with this concept... When is it okay to have an expectation? ie. I expect a partner to be faithful, loyal, and honest and I know I'll feel upset if a partner did not meet these expectations. I know I can't control someone from say... cheating for example, but I still expect monogamy and I don't think that's an unreasonable expectation. I think it's healthy for me to have this expectation.
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Post by Susan Peabody on Aug 19, 2012 15:37:22 GMT -8
Interesting thread! But here's where I struggle with this concept... When is it okay to have an expectation? ie. I expect a partner to be faithful, loyal, and honest and I know I'll feel upset if a partner did not meet these expectations. I know I can't control someone from say... cheating for example, but I still expect monogamy and I don't think that's an unreasonable expectation. I think it's healthy for me to have this expectation. This is definitely a grey area, but you still can't expect it in terms of making it happen because you expect it. But you can ask for this and make it a deal breaker if it happens. On the other hand maybe there is a place for expectations but this does not erase the harm that having expectations can have. Let's see what others have to say about this. Here is an article. Can someone google relationship expectations and give us some feedback. www.psychologytoday.com/blog/maybe-its-just-me/201008/expectations-in-relationships-the-flip-side-obligationsSnoopy & Expections
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Post by lilila on Aug 21, 2012 10:15:23 GMT -8
requin: Actually I did have all those thoughts, felt angry and hurt with those friends, but then I decided I just didn´t want to give them that power over me. I figured I could take this as a sign, wondered what is my HP/life in general trying to tell me now that I´ve encountered these disappointing behaviors. And I thought, maybe this means it´s time to open up to other, more positive people and step away from the ones that harm me. If I´m honest, I´d always felt a bit uncomfortable with these guys, like I have to pretend I´m tougher than I am. They always said I was part of this "inner circle" and that they have all the friends they need and wont meet new people. So in a way, that was flattering, but I always thought it was like remaining stuck. I think in all, if there is a reason for why bad things happen, it has to be that it´s time for me to evolve and get out of the old ways of relating I had.
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Post by newbie on Aug 21, 2012 17:42:07 GMT -8
I was really upset this week, my sister has come to visit on holiday, so I thought I'd free sometime and WE could do things together. She brought my 13 year old nephew, anyway the second day she was here she got up and my nephew was still asleep he had slept late that night, no way he'd get up. Anyway we'd made plans the day before to go out together, when we realised our nephew would need sleep she made new plans for herself and said she'd go out to a museum, initially I acepted then on her way out I said I thought it was inconsiderate, it was also my holiday it was sunny and we had made plans. She mentioned she'd be back late afternoon. Yes our nephew was asleep but we could make an effort to wake him, anyway this spiralled into conflict, and when she came back my nephew was awake I asked her if she wanted to come out she said no. Later she said she felt I was rude to her. That same night she went to the movies with my nephew, they didn't invite me, just went out, they're staying at my place.
I went to sleep sad, bearing in mind the morning argument I excused it, I woke up in the morning to find they had gone out!! When she came back I snapped! This is also my time off, I'm sitting at home with no clear plans missing the sunshine no one is communicating. She insisted I was rude to her, I told her she could have asked me to join the cinema od day out the next day. Anyway, am totally exhausted, I acted out a few days ago, I thought I was folowing the steps and making amends by emailing my ex a card for a religious festival. We ended things on terrible terms, well he just ran. So maybe that's why I'm upset, I have also not been sleeping. Anyway, so my sis leaved in a few days, were under one roof, not communicating, probably won't. Miserable holiday. Sad times, already cried today.$ definitely need sleep. Maybe this started with my expectations. Anyway, don't know how to feel, or act. Miserable, miserable hols and familyhood! Feel stuff. P.s no response from ex. I have maintained nc for one year, maybe I'm in denial, but I only sent a message to make amends, expect no response or follow up, but feel I can move on now although my wound is seeping slightly!! ):
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Post by diamond on Aug 22, 2012 15:37:10 GMT -8
Lil,
I have been having very similar experiences as far as the people I considered "friends". I relate to that work situation you described a lot... I have previously been determined to fit in with people I didn't even like that much! During this recover phase, I have realized that many of my "friends" weren't actually ever capable of being kind, honest, and loyal, and I had been settling for crumbs the same way I did with my POA.
I have purged quite a few too, and while I was scared to do this at first, its actually been unexpectedly freeing and peaceful. And now, slowly but surely, healthy friends are starting to emerge that I had either, a. Previously thought of as not cool enough (gosh I am so lame!) or, b. Friends I had been a bit slack with and lost touch with (like friends from back home 'cos I'm now living in another country).
The more recovery time I have, I see it's actually about the whole picture getting healthier: love, friends, finance, career, health, spirit, etc. Phew!
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Post by RoseNadler on May 25, 2019 10:12:42 GMT -8
Interesting thread! But here's where I struggle with this concept... When is it okay to have an expectation? ie. I expect a partner to be faithful, loyal, and honest and I know I'll feel upset if a partner did not meet these expectations. I know I can't control someone from say... cheating for example, but I still expect monogamy and I don't think that's an unreasonable expectation. I think it's healthy for me to have this expectation. I’ve had trouble with both extremes, as far as this goes. Sometimes, I have expected way too much from other people (not only romantic partners, but friends and family as well.) Other times, I have felt so bad about myself, so undeserving, that I have accepted crumbs and outright bad treatment. How do you reach a middle ground, where you don’t expect too much from others, but you don’t put up with hurtful behavior? And, if you have a need that other people can’t meet - and you aren’t able to make yourself stop needing it/wanting it - how do you go through the rest of your life with that big gaping hole in your heart?
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