mrockmiss
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Post by mrockmiss on Apr 18, 2013 5:54:42 GMT -8
I know in the back of my mind that these feelings are my inner child and not real but, I always tend to think people don't want to be around me. I was teased badly in elementary school. I always felt like I didn't fit in. I have a hard time reaching out for that reason. It's easier with people who are toxic than normal people. Even on this board when no one responds to my post. My immediate thought is they don't like me. It's immature and childish and I hope untrue. That's the problem, I don't really know that it's untrue. Does anyone else struggle with this??
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Post by Havefaith on Apr 18, 2013 7:03:10 GMT -8
Many of us struggle with mistaken beliefs. A book that has helped me tremendously in this area is Dr. Jeffrey's Schwartz's "You Are Not Your Brain: The 4-Step Solution for Changing Bad Habits, Ending Unhealthy Thinking, and Taking Control of Your Life" It's like a do-it-yourself cognitive-behavioral therapy and if you do the work, it is very effective. I work on the four-step solution daily, because I no longer want to be held captive by my mistaken beliefs and unhealthy thinking. Here's the website if you'd like to look into this further, jeffreymschwartz.com/HaveFaith
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Post by sanity on Apr 18, 2013 7:55:21 GMT -8
Yes, I felt like that for a long time. Not so much any more. Another fear was that , even if someone likes me initially, they will stop once they get to know me a little bit. I never had a reason why that might happen. I just knew that it is what seemed to happen a lot. I was always very alert to that. Maybe that was related to my father and his sw type behavior.
That is still something that is a trigger for me.
It is definitely related to mistaken belief patterns. Self inquiry is what I do to examine those beliefs. But sometimes, its hard to even pin point what those beliefs are. They are so deep rooted. This forum helps me in identifying some of those patterns.
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Post by kelleyboy on Apr 18, 2013 11:59:50 GMT -8
Mrockmiss,
I can really relate to not fitting in. Being teased at school, and have the fear if you really knew me, you wouldn't like me. I think that last one is one of the main motivators for my la. It causes me to manipulate to get my needs met.
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Post by fluttershy on Apr 19, 2013 13:47:26 GMT -8
since my POA stopped contacting me, i have felt that way too about people, friendships, work friends "if someone likes me initially, they will stop once they get to know me" or rather they will disappoint me or let me down, they are not who they say they are, but trust is very hard. Once I do feel i can trust someone, they get overwhelmed by me and feel smothered in one way. I try logically to sound it with things for example I called my sister, but hasn't returned my call- she's probably at work. if she's ignoring me, fine, she'll talk to me when she's ready. But its not that she doesn't love me, or hates me. That's usually the extreme side, of where I go... but its not always easy to pin point the false belief.
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Post by Loveanimals on Apr 20, 2013 13:17:22 GMT -8
I sometimes feel this way, that people only like me if I win matches for their team, do work that they don't want to do, men only like me if I talk sexually, it can feel lonely now that I'm cutting the unhealthy people out.
All of a sudden I'm left with just me and very few healthy people around me! I don't really want a man, just feel numb and tired and just want to curl up and sleep all day. I got myself out to watch daughter's soccer game and the grocery store to prep her team's snacks. That's healthier.
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Post by wahinewha on Apr 20, 2013 23:37:39 GMT -8
mrockmiss, we think the best of you. Nothing you share will surprise us, and like yourself I battle daily with low self esteem. You are not alone.
You are fixable, and through practicing the right tools and skills you will be able to keep these unhealthy negative thought patterns at bay on an hourly basis.
Daily exercise, prayer and good teachings are how I keep the black shadow from lurking in my thought patterns.
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Post by mrockmiss on Apr 21, 2013 8:28:45 GMT -8
Thank you Wahinewa, I am hoping I am fixable. It is a daily struggle. I am happy I am finally seeing these things. I am grateful for everyone on this board. Some people give me great hope for recovery while others share things that I never knew anyone else felt. I have always felt like a freak of nature for being the way I am. Knowing there is a whole community of women and men that share the same struggles makes me feel so much better. I am still struggling with other addictions. I have been praying to my HP and it has worked. I have been on my own without a POA for going on 2 months. Never knew I could do that. I am still not facing the pain. I am still numbing myself. I have been able to give up drinking but, there's always another way to distract myself. Anyway, thanks to all of you for responding.
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Post by Loving My Life on Apr 21, 2013 12:07:20 GMT -8
Keep working on your self esteem and your self worth. Stop numbing your feeling with other stuff, and if you will keep doing this, you will reach a point in your recovery, where you will begin to believe in yourself, and it will not matter if no one likes you. As long as you like and love yourself, all of the other things will not matter.
You set healthy boundaries for your self, and you don't let people cross them, you speak your truth, you take care of your responsibilities, on a daily basis, and if you are doing all of this, you self esteem will start to turn around.
"To Thine Own Self Be True"
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Post by lovejunky on Dec 10, 2013 14:50:26 GMT -8
@ Mrrockmiss... I have felt that way all of my life also... though you would never suspect it to see me.. I never felt people liked me and would always "stand out" from the crowd to compensate. Make a fool of myself, be very sexually overt, do anything to get attention or to make people like me. I was always the one who suffered... because my actions never got the results I was looking for. I feel like I have to say something about the being teased in elementary... it is a really sore subject with me. I feel that bullying is not taken seriously enough... even now that we see commercials, movies, and web sites about the terrible effects of bullying... we still do not do enough to STOP it as a society. Two of my daughters quit school because of constant bullying. I allowed them too. I couldn't stand by and watch the pain these ignorant people were causing them. As a parent, I did everything I could to change the situation. I wrote formal complaints to teachers, staff, even the dept of education. I was at the school so much for my youngest daughter that I began to worry that I would ultimately get arrested for assaulting a minor or a staff member. My older daughter is now looking into getting her GED via online school. My youngest who is 17... goes to online school full time..and is studying Psychology. Stronger laws need to be passed regarding bullying in our school systems. If you look at the worst toxic people in our history, ie Hitler, Saddam, Bin Laden, slave owners, rapists, murderers, spouse abusers,... I bet you would find that not only were these people bullies as adults but my guess would be that they were bullied or were themselves bullies as children. If you get away with bullying people as a child... I believe that you grow into an adult bully. If you are bullied as a child and no one is ever held responsible for the pain they cause... I believe that you either become a victim in your adult life.. or you learn to fight back in unhealthy ways.
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Post by ~w~ on Oct 4, 2014 1:49:36 GMT -8
I know in the back of my mind that these feelings are my inner child and not real but, I always tend to think people don't want to be around me. I was teased badly in elementary school. I always felt like I didn't fit in. I have a hard time reaching out for that reason. It's easier with people who are toxic than normal people. Even on this board when no one responds to my post. My immediate thought is they don't like me. It's immature and childish and I hope untrue. That's the problem, I don't really know that it's untrue. Does anyone else struggle with this??
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Post by ~w~ on Oct 4, 2014 2:00:43 GMT -8
Am 34 and still i did not work out whats wrong with me, i dont fit in anywhere. I have no friends calling me how am i ? If i did not call them first. In 10 years i living abroad my mum called me once. Sometimes i block ppl out, dont want to speak to them or not interested. In my old job finnished last week, i had the feelong no one really liked me. We got close with some girls but after i start feeling she was talking behind my back and i started ignooring her. Dont trust ppl. In school i had hard perriod when i had no friebds at all because other kids from same street was sabotadging that no one will play or talk to me i was about 11 i think? I had few close friends but since they sharing my personal info with their family members i started to ignore them that means i dont phone them no more. I dont fit in i feel withdrawn and i shut myself from ppl. Why build relationships if you trust someone with all you and find out that all ppl talk private info with others. I cannot even hold normal concersation to long am not good at it, i interupt or dont know what to say. I feel isolated and like that 1 black sheep towards others.
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Post by SandyLove on Oct 4, 2014 15:10:37 GMT -8
mrockmiss,
you are on to something here, and i am not sure i understand it but I do believe it can change by working this program. i was voted shyest in my class in elementary or middle school i don't remember which, but it was humiliating. i have had phases of my life when i was more popular but for the past at least 5 years or so, it is the same... some people are nice to me, but many people stay away or don't seek out friendships with me, and i don't understand why. i notice it when i am in various communities for some time, and others have developed good friendships and I only have superficial acquaintances. I was in an SLAA mtg recently and it was amazing how common this sentiment was. the whole meeting was a crisis of loneliness, and there seems no reason why all these people are lonely or ostracized, they are all perfectly nice. What I do know is this situation can change and it is changing for me. The more meetings I go to and the more I post on this board, the more I stick to the rules of No Contact, and also pray. People are starting to be nicer to me and new friendship opportunities are opening up. That is all that really matters is that it is curable.
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Post by southernbelle on Oct 6, 2014 9:56:57 GMT -8
I have always felt the same way too. I was never the popular kid in school, had very few friends growing up and the fact that we moved a lot didn't help much. I'm on the shy side and always been worried about what people think of me or saying the wrong thing. Even now at 37 years old, I still don't have many friends. Even on this board, I am reluctant to reply to others post because I feel like I don't really having anything helpful to say. I know this is because of my low self esteem. But I also know that with this program and God I will overcome this.
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Post by LovelyJune on Oct 6, 2014 17:05:26 GMT -8
I was bullied a lot when I was a kid and because we moved so darn often, I never had a chance to make friends. I was always the weird "new kid." Later in life I had friends who loved me, but I tended to treat them poorly. I didn't realize I was hurting them but I was. Prime example would be that I would sleep with the guy my best friend had a crush on. Only later in life, looking back, did I realize it had to do with my love addiction. I had a very difficult time becoming intimate with people. I opted instead for extreme intimacy with a man, which meant love, lust and then avoidance and the end. All very roller coaster.
Now, I have a large group of superficial friends (I'm very friendly), but no girlfriends I am really close with. And I'm OK with that. I have a big, loving family and that is where I mostly gain my sense of "fitting in."
But just to come out and say it, We teach people how to treat us. And that applies to PoAs and friends and family as well. Look into how you are teaching people to treat you. Are you teaching them to not come too close? Are you teaching them that you are needy? selfish? loving? caring? Definitely something to analyze. It will help you know yourself a little better.
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Post by CodepNomore on Oct 6, 2014 19:53:14 GMT -8
In my case, on my own, I often found myself liked by "other people". Yes, I have been bullied when I was in school by some, but it was because they wanted me to like them as much as they liked me (even "inappropriately").
However, while growing up most of my siblings and some of my relatives used to look down on me as "inferior" (you can read it in my "Self-Esteem story"). And as long as there were people in our old community who knew how my family looked better and were more talented than me, I was liked less.
It all has changed after I discovered who I am created to be and what is my real purpose in this life. When I stopped comparing myself to others, stopped pleasing people, and instead started accepting and embracing myself and becoming the best version of me, I noticed that more people (including my family), began to respect and like me too.
I have deep and close friendships that are still working well for almost 20 years now. I keep gaining new friends too. (Though I am more for quality friendships.) I think it helps to be true to yourself and accept others for who they are. (Except if they are toxic to you.) Nevertheless, be aware that there will always be people who would not like you no matter what you do and how likable you are. But it should not matter as long as you have confidence within you.
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Post by James C T on Oct 7, 2014 7:43:06 GMT -8
. I like you. I love you. I pray for you. I admire you. I look up to you. I am grateful for you. Is that enough to quell the "inner critic."
Let's celebrate James C.T. Day! [/div]
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Post by CodepNomore on Oct 7, 2014 9:13:59 GMT -8
Feelings are not facts...
I hope those who feel like no one likes them realize the fact that they are special; wonderfully created and are loved and cherished by their Creator.
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Post by James C T on Oct 7, 2014 9:56:17 GMT -8
I don't realize that, but I do realize that feelings are not facts and that just because I feel like no one likes me doesn't meant that's so.
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Post by CodepNomore on Oct 7, 2014 19:01:22 GMT -8
Since this is a "forum" (defined as "a public meeting or assembly for open discussion"), allow me to share my thoughts on this matter further...
I happen to be surrounded mostly by men who think either highly of themselves or exude moderate confidence about themselves. What I noticed is that their participation in an active, healthy lifestyle help them in their self-esteem. People who do what they enjoy and who take care of their needs seldom or do not feel this way (feeling nobody likes them). This is just my observation and I only mean to focus on the solution.
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Post by James C T on Oct 8, 2014 4:22:55 GMT -8
It's okay, Codep, in case you're worried that I'm thinking you're yelling at me. I am working at putting me first. So your words are welcome and not a chastening.
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Post by CodepNomore on Oct 8, 2014 5:09:33 GMT -8
Your good attitude makes me like you. So next time you feel like no one likes you just read this out loud: "Codep likes James! And I am sure I am not the only one here. Cheers!
And for the rest who feel this way about themselves please don't believe that "lie". The fact is that there will always be some people who will like and/love you. Just be yourself and embrace who you are. Be your own greatest admirer and others will follow.
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Post by Sexlessw on Oct 8, 2014 6:03:37 GMT -8
James CT: This isn't any BS! Take this sincerely: SexlessW likes you too. I like that you are putting yourself first. I like that you reach out to other posters. I like that you share what you are going through. I LIKE interacting with you. I am giving you power vibes that you sort your personal situation out and be where you want to be.
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Post by CodepNomore on Oct 8, 2014 19:29:55 GMT -8
I've known people who have complained about not having friends and they have been highly critical of others and have shut themselves off from the possibility. I know I have to step back and remind myself to be grateful for my beloved friends, imperfect as they are. One of my "besties" often says, "the best way to make friends is to BE a friend". A good question to ask is how are you BEING a friend and inviting people into your life. What do you offer in the way of friendship? I am glad you raised up these excellent pointers. Being highly critical or complaining is toxic to any relationship. No one likes to be around people who got nothing to say good about other people. Before criticizing others; we have to check our motives first. If it is constructive then do it in the right way (the "sandwich technique": compliment, objective criticism, compliment.) and observe proper timing too. Instead of complaining, it is better to be grateful and appreciative. See the best in people but don't flatter them either if you don't mean it. Showing genuine interest in other people; being sincere with them and being true to myself make me succeed in this regard. Also, giving importance to people's time and effort. Being straightforward and considerate: I don't waste their time by making them wait for me and keep guessing. I don't waste their effort either by not saying soon that I am not interested in the first place and that there is nothing to expect from me. For me, it is all about the golden rule: "Treat others as you want to be treated." I love them (without thinking what I can take or get in return) and they just love me back too. I respect them and they respect me back too.
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Post by Susan Peabody on Oct 9, 2014 13:20:18 GMT -8
And for the rest who feel this way about themselves please don't believe that "lie". The fact is that there will always be some people who will like and/love you. Just be yourself and embrace who you are. Be your own greatest admirer and others will follow. Amen
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Post by LovelyJune on Oct 10, 2014 12:08:23 GMT -8
I like you too JamesCT!!! You have a great head on your shoulders. But what I think doesn't matter. What anybody thinks doesn't matter. Robin Williams was loved and adored by MILLIONS. It didn't matter. What matters is how you feel about yourself and what you believe you are capable of. Don't look outside for validation. Look inside.
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Post by Havefaith on Oct 10, 2014 14:26:30 GMT -8
For me, it is all about the golden rule: "Treat others as you want to be treated."
Yes, codepnomore. It is for me too. I believe in the Golden Rule down to the very core of my being. Yes, humankind is imperfect, and we don't always 'get it right' -- but if everybody followed this rule, what a wonderful world this would be....
HaveFaith
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Post by James C T on Oct 10, 2014 19:48:21 GMT -8
I like you too JamesCT!!! You have a great head on your shoulders. But what I think doesn't matter. What anybody thinks doesn't matter. Robin Williams was loved and adored by MILLIONS. It didn't matter. What matters is how you feel about yourself and what you believe you are capable of. Don't look outside for validation. Look inside. Which brings me to a problem, my key stumbling block. I like me. But I feel like no one likes me because most days it seems to me that I'm the only one who likes me. Now, given that some of you have, in fact, said you like me, the question is how do I begin to perceive genuine love (or like)?
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Post by CodepNomore on Oct 10, 2014 20:47:22 GMT -8
Now, given that some of you have, in fact, said you like me, the question is how do I begin to perceive genuine love (or like)? That's a good question... For me, I would say that "action speaks louder than words" since love is a verb, an action word. It is easy for anyone to say they like/love you but if their actions prove otherwise, then it's fake and means nothing. Speaking of love, I like this definition: "Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in toxic but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres." I believe it is the highest standard and form of love and it takes divine help to develop. I want to apply and have it in my relationships.
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Post by LovelyJune on Oct 12, 2014 2:59:07 GMT -8
"Love" and "like" cues are very hard to pick up when you are insecure. When someone likes you look for these ACTIONS (not words): they want to hang out with you, they want to be close to you, they smile when they're around you, they laugh at your jokes, they reach out and touch you, they call you and invite you places, they include you in events, they look at you directly in your eyes, as opposed to looking away...etc. When we have trouble reading other people's body language it often comes from being too much in our heads. Does this sound right? If so, try to get out of your head and focus on the world around you and what's happening.
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