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Post by CodepNomore on Mar 31, 2014 22:24:03 GMT -8
During our initial meeting with a person, as love addicts we are inclined to think that the attention, attraction, thoughts of future relationship we feel or have toward a person is generated by our addiction. However, in many studies, this experience or feeling is also shared by any normal human being. Not just love addicts.
It has been found that within 3 minutes of meeting, people decide "what type of relationship" they want with a new acquaintance. The study concluded that these important few minutes strongly influenced the relationships that later developed. In fact, the degree to which a subject liked a person at their first meeting determined the closeness of the future relationship.
Researchers call this "Predicted Outcome Value Theory", which posits that when we first communicate with a new person, we automatically predict the relationship's potential and then act.
Therefore, this is just one of those things that do not make someone necessarily an addict or in fantasy mode, but simply being a human.
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Post by Havefaith on Apr 1, 2014 16:14:34 GMT -8
Good point. I believe that what I did as a love addict, however, was take that normal human experience and take it to the level of addiction through obsession and limerence and craving. I used that normal human experience to get 'high' much like any addict who abuses a substance/behavior for a hit --and then my love addiction reeled out of control, as I desperately chased the high with POA after POA.
I have to be vigilant every time I'm in a situation that could be a potential trigger. For me, "this experience or feeling that is also shared by any normal human being" is not processed by me in a healthy fashion. But -- awareness and using the tools of recovery keeps me sober and on a healthier path than ever before...
HaveFaith
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Post by dhafirah on Apr 1, 2014 19:12:11 GMT -8
True, true. Healthy people do wonder about a person whom they just met. They can even imagine having babies with that person when they see he or she is attractive. However, as a love addict I have to be careful not to let that normal curiosity turn into an obsession. A healthy person will think about it for a short while and turn their attention to something else if nothing else occurs to feed that thought. A love addict will obsess and think of ways to make it happen. It is hard for us to shake it off.
Thank you, codepnomore, for pointing out that humans in general can picture a life with someone else. However, everyone don't let this interrupt their lives and lose focus on reality as we can. This helps me not to freak out about every thought that pops in my head but remain aware of my issue and know to release the thought as that....just a thought.
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Post by LovelyJune on Apr 2, 2014 8:35:35 GMT -8
It's all about balance. And love addiction is when that "normal" human behavior gets completely off balance. That's another reason why "curing" love addiction is so difficult. Sometimes it's easier to completely remove that which triggers you (like alcohol to an alcoholic). But for love or food addicts, we cannot deny ourselves a relationship. Instead, we have to learn balance, which is not necessarily more difficult than complete denial. Just different. Thanks for the post!
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Post by Looking4peace on Apr 3, 2014 15:50:40 GMT -8
Have Faith - I totally agree. I am hesitant to admit (but no longer ashamed) that I have had at one time as many as five POAs in various stages of relationships at the same time. I remember feeling high and wildly energetic - almost manic / mania. At one point I was having a difficult time keeping up with them all. I was in a sexual relationship with just one, but up at all hours texting, talking, writing. And I was married at the same time.
I look back on how completely out of control I was. There was zero focus on my family or my career or my physical/mental health. I am so fortunate that I am able to look back and see how destructive I was.
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Post by Havefaith on Apr 3, 2014 16:21:11 GMT -8
"There was zero focus on my family or my career or my physical/mental health."
Spoken like a true addict (and I'm one of them) -- addiction is indeed destructive. The addict has one thing in mind -- chasing after his/her drug of choice (alcohol, heroin, gambling, POA, the list goes on. Little else matters -- until the bottom drops out, we hit rock bottom, and are on the verge of losing everything.
Today, I am grateful to be sober...
HaveFaith
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Post by Looking4peace on Apr 4, 2014 2:24:09 GMT -8
HaveFaith -
AMEN SISTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Today, I am grateful for the clarity currently within my possession. I am deeply intent on keeping that clarity and folding it into my total being.
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Post by CodepNomore on Apr 5, 2014 6:59:48 GMT -8
Thank you all for sharing your great insights.
In my case, I have no doubt that prior to recovery my reaction during the first meeting is a part of love addiction. However, in recent years it is mostly within the parameters of "predicted outcome value theory" or 'being human'.
I am tired of fantasy. Reality is the way to go. Nevertheless, I am still vigilant from time to time.
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Post by Havefaith on Apr 5, 2014 8:35:22 GMT -8
Reality -- yes, indeed, copednomore. My fantasy thinking was that of the 15-year-old anguished, love-struck teen that was trapped inside my head (covert incest; trying to relive and fix what went terribly wrong). Facing my addiction through the 12 Steps and psychodynamic therapy to process (come to terms with) my past, and all the other tools in my 'recovery toolbox gear me towards accepting/embracing reality as an adult. With a big, daily dose of vigilance (can't rest on my laurels)!
HaveFaith
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Post by CodepNomore on Apr 12, 2014 8:02:56 GMT -8
So true. We have to come to terms with the reality of our past (no matter how traumatic it might be), along with taking responsibility for our present state by attending to our needs and being vigilant. And yes, none of us should rest on yesterday's laurel. It is a constant daily practice, that is what can make or break a person. As it says, "it took me 25 years to be an 'overnight success'.
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Post by Carito1988 on Apr 12, 2014 17:52:18 GMT -8
I like this post, but right now, I am tired of this obsession in my mind, and inside of me, in getting the attention of man and wondering in future relationships, I am tired of this, I know it is part of the human being, but I have decided to stop this, I want to be in any place without thinking and wondering about men, it is enough for me.
Carito
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Post by CodepNomore on Apr 13, 2014 8:22:21 GMT -8
Carito, indeed obsession is tiring. What helps me in stopping it is cutting its source and not feeding it. ( I carefully select the stuff that I read, watch, listen to, etc.) And I think on purpose the things that I want to develop in me.
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Post by fivesisteranch on Apr 18, 2014 6:10:46 GMT -8
I am highly agreed with this post. There is no connection between 3 minutes of meeting and love addition. It is a feeling that all human beings have. Just keep it up this good work with well researched proofs.
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Post by CodepNomore on Apr 18, 2014 19:07:47 GMT -8
Thanks 5sisters. I am enthusiastic of research study that is credible and that is not too ordinary or common knowledge already.
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Post by Loving My Life on Apr 19, 2014 4:35:03 GMT -8
In my opinion, any time anything becomes an addition, this is a red flag to take a step back and look at what is going on within yourself, to cause this too happen? Something is missing within ourselves?
Is it human nature to become addicted? Yes it is I believe, and it is not just love, and can be anything that we are spending to much time focusing on, and we are ignoring ourselves and our true self.
Something is missing in our life, we don't feel happy or fulfilled, we are always trying to fill a void within ourselves with something outside of ourselves. This is only sustain our happiness for so long, if we don't find our true passions, in life, and make our own self happy first and foremost, no other human beings will ever be able to do this for us either.
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Post by Havefaith on Apr 19, 2014 6:07:41 GMT -8
lml, you are 100% correct, in my opinion, when you say it just does NOT work when "we are always trying to fill a void within ourselves with something outside of ourselves."
One of my favorite authors, Judith Orloff, M.D., phrased it this way, and I remind myself daily that I must "Surrender the illusion that anything on the outside - a job, money, a soul mate - can fix you." ("The Ecstasy of Surrender")
I have to look at myself from the inside out .... Thanks for the reminder, LML!
HaveFaith
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Post by Loveanimals on Apr 19, 2014 12:01:50 GMT -8
Yes that void, and many times it's emptiness, loneliness, stress, feeling unfulfilled, etc. Texting a POA can "feel" much better than doing laundry for example. I can do it with iPhone games, just many things and constantly keep a vigilant watch on it. Love gives us such a high and one feels like the other person is our "soul mate" and we no longer feel the sadness.....but it's just a false sense of happiness. Then when you find out the guy just wants sex but you have this fantasy that he's your "soul mate" you feel like hell and then all of a sudden doing the laundry doesn't seem so bad
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Post by Havefaith on Apr 19, 2014 13:39:20 GMT -8
In Judith Orloff's new book, she has devoted an entire chapter to 'love' and the idea of the soul-mate and how we often use fantasy to fulfill unrealistic expectations; it is a fascinating read. But yes, laundry, while not 'exciting' as such, is a healthy activity and sure beats acting-out and the accompanying crash.
I choose reality. One day at a time.
HaveFaith
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Post by CodepNomore on Apr 20, 2014 0:03:54 GMT -8
In order to stop fantasizing, a person has to make him/herself rich from within first before s/he would be able to find that it is all from within.
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Post by Loveanimals on Apr 20, 2014 2:13:42 GMT -8
I have family members who have zero history of addiction, and could not understand why I suffered, now have smartphones with the games and social media and say they cannot put their phone down.
One family member says she can finally now understand the obsession and compulsion that I have dealt with and other family members have dealth with.f
Our brains aren't meant to process all of this stimulation, to play computer games and meet hundreds of people in a day through technology.
Hours can pass, jobs, family, households are a mess and suffer. That's when we hit our rock bottom, or those in recovery can catch themselves slipping again and use their tool box to stop the behaviors.
I found vigilance and having my therapist to check in weekly was so helpful, plus I had a score card where I tracked any thoughts and acting out with other men....and we had a plan for tackling those. I had to stop with her due to losing my job and I can see where I slipped there, all of a sudden I was not tracking it and just slipped and then realized that this was ridiculous.
I keep telling myself that those people I would spend hours texting with 2 years ago, where are they in my life now? Was I just using that to help me get through the housework? Why spend that much energy on men who come and go vs. put that same energy in relationships with family and friends that really matter?
I also realize it gets worse when I feel isolated, as I do now when I'm out of a job. Before I had female co-workers to talk to daily about our children, etc., so I'm forcing myself to get out and socialize with other females, as I did last night. It doesn't make me feel bad and it was nice to talk about our lives. I realized a lot of my addiction is the need for conversation and someone to connect with. Men in pursuit will talk to you forever and then drop you after they get what they want. These women last night weren't looking to do that to me.
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Post by CodepNomore on Apr 21, 2014 2:51:51 GMT -8
Good realization.
I think social media and app games are the "new addiction" now. And if we are not careful, we would be addicted to it too and waste so much time and resources. I find having self-discipline and boundary helpful.
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Post by CodepNomore on Nov 15, 2014 5:12:02 GMT -8
There is nothing wrong or big deal about admiring or feeling an attraction towards any person as long as there is no fantasy, obsession, toxicity, involved. It is just part of being human to feel different emotions. What counts is not letting it control us. But instead we take charge of it and keep doing the things that are right and best for us.
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