I was thinking loads about poa in my head . Making love moves . About reunion , sex, being back together. It is hard to move on and I feel stuck by these fantasies. I have to drive to an from work just where he lives, he moved there when I asked him. He found the place close to where I live. So everytime I drive I think about him. I do feel that maybe he did it deliberately. ? Who knows. I cannot let it go, and it's sinking me. Or this is normal? I don't want to be victim over this. Sometimes I planning in my head to go and see him . Complicated . I do and exercises now every week. Then am busy doing smth. Maybe It's just addiction and it will get easier and I stop fantasising over him. About that passion we had .?
Fantasies can be persistent. You need to work very hard to replace them with other, healthier thoughts, at least until you're feeling more confident. Force yourself to drive a different way to work. Force the fantasies of "him" out and replace them with fantasies of exotic travel, art, music. Something that is neutral and safe.
Last Edit: Mar 18, 2015 5:00:44 GMT -8 by LovelyJune
Maybe It's just addiction and it will get easier and I stop fantasising over him. About that passion we had .?
Dear Waterlili,
It will definitely get easier. Passion can mean different things. Something you love doing with all your heart & soul is called passion for eg.
painting watching films reading good magazines exercising cooking healthy meals your job morning meditations
Passion is when you are productive with something you like for eg. you buy a couple of water colours, art paper, set a time during the day/evening & paint.Or if you like music & you join the piano/guitar class.
What we feel for our PoA is not passion, it's addiction. I'm sure you know this. I'm quite new to this board but I am a fantasy addict too. But I am passionate about other things, so I try to fantasise about these things that I want to do. What do you understand by passion?
If you tell me what you really really like doing just for the joy of it, maybe we can talk about it if you like. I can try to help you to plan on doing it & you can help me too. Tell me 4 things which u like?
Love Moonlitvein
"Fully functioning people are not interested in doing things better than everyone else; they look inward for their life goals....Look inward rather than at how you measure up to the other guy" - Pulling Your Own Strings by Dr. Wayne W. Dyer.
Hi moonlitvein, thank you for replay. The 4 things it would be - .. Hard to describe .. Dancing, music, sports, see new places and cach up with my friends. I feel ambivalent , torch bearing love addict. What do you like ?
Fantasy starts early, in childhood (think fairy tales and Disney movies and such ' rescue me and I shall live happily ever after with my Knight in Shining Armor' stories.) When fantasies become unhealthy is when we don't give them up and they become our 'reality'.
I just read this quote today and want to share -- David Elkind, author, professor and chair at Tufts University, talked about the criticism of the new version of Cinderella that just came out. He said fantasy, in and of itself, is part of childhood and the natural pondering of the 'grown up' world. But --
"...as children age, they realize that such tales aren’t true. “That gives them a marker of understanding, ‘That’s not the way the world really works,’” he says. “To have a fantasy and give it up is a healthy sign of growing up.”
I personally had a difficult time giving up the fantasy. Really hard time -- as in, I did not grow up and pursued fantasy for years and years, and it evolved into full blown Love Addiction.
I almost gave up my reality (emotionally mature, loving husband and two beautiful children) for Fantasy POA (porn and sex addict-recovering alcoholic-now cross addicted gambler in debt for $60,000). Long story. Ugly story. But through psychodynamic therapy and a strong faith in my HP, I am turning things around and FINALLY growing up.
It is true -- if we remain in child-like fantasy, we will not recover or heal from Love Addiction. We will languish in an adolescent state of mind, chasing some fairy-tale fantasy and miss out on the joy of living an authentic life.
HaveFaith
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Hi moonlitvein, thank you for replay. The 4 things it would be - .. Hard to describe .. Dancing, music, sports, see new places and cach up with my friends. I feel ambivalent , torch bearing love addict. What do you like ?
Hi Waterlili,
I think catching up with friends is a great thing. I love it too as long as we don't discuss PoA or love addiction but bond over other things like movies, healthy food, having a cup of tea & chatting about our jobs
I am in love with literature,cinema, self help books & of course this board . I am discovering that I like self help books which are also workbooks.
I also like sketching & painting occasionally. I love writing too which is why I have started writing about myself as well as films on this board.
So tell me is there a dance or music class you can enrol for in your locality? What kind of sports do you like? I don't really know much about sports. Tell me more about it.
What Lovely June & Have faith is saying is true. It's really difficult to stop fantasise but we can replace the fantasies. Nowadays I actively fantasise about :
- Writing about films & self esteem in this board. - Getting a new job - A great cubicle & seating space in my office - Making new friends - Speaking at seminars & in classrooms - Painting an abstract picture with watercolors - Buying a new phone - Writing a short story, a film script, a blog & my journal
Believe me because of these fantasies I have been actually doing a couple of these things . What do you want to fantasise about? Do you want to make a list like this?
If you want don't answer now,maybe think, think, think for 2 - 3 days & then tell me.If you want to talk about it.
"Fully functioning people are not interested in doing things better than everyone else; they look inward for their life goals....Look inward rather than at how you measure up to the other guy" - Pulling Your Own Strings by Dr. Wayne W. Dyer.
I d say my fantasy started early in childhood as I was big fan of fairytales books, moves, songs, and later on used to love drama moves and books. Today I only read self help book, also Susan's recommended books. Just ordered new book about why do I think am nothing without you.,I always loved reading. And if book with good ening I would read this book few times during few months. So maybe that's what triggered my love addiction. I do like moves. And with kids we have move night once in the while. Watching some family move, comedy, kids disneys moves. Few years back I had been running and going to the gym, but somehow I was very determined only few months. Lol 3 weeks ago I started home cd kickboxing . As I like to sweat and work hard. Kids laugh at me. It is funny to each mummy doing all those moves... But seeing am getting really annoyed as it's hard work they stopped. We mess about other times. I ve been spending loads off time about house decorating but I just out of ideas because the money is tight and the fantasy not there anymore Hmm , music depends on the mood but usually listen everything, sometimes like mediation of kenny g. Or music without any worlds as sweet love worlds today sounds annoying. I think I have hiding creative side , but never did much creative work :,painting, or sketching so not sure. How are you doing today, and it is doesn't matter that you are newbie it is nice to meet new ppl especially those who cares. Oh btw about friends I don't like to dicquss my relationship or poa because it's just not healthy. And somehow today I keep myself to myself. Thank you sweeties for replay
Post by moonlitvein on Mar 21, 2015 9:45:55 GMT -8
I am doing fine today Waterlili. Thanks.
You know its so strange, because I have sometimes wanted to do kick boxing. I felt it would release a lot of tension. I am glad you do that.
Can you start running & going to the gym again It would give you a goal to begin with.
I know you have a journal here, so you do write a lot. Susan has recommended Norman Vincent Peale's book to you. I am reading his book too. It's great. It's helping me a lot.
I also don't discuss my PoA with friends. It's the healthy route.
It's good to listen to instrumental music without words. I love it. I especially love Ron Korb's music when I need some calmness.
I think you already could have 3 goals for now:
1) Going back to running & gym
2) Reading the books which you have got. Set a deadline maybe for each book. Or set a time each day when you want to sit with the book
3) Then set a time for writing your thoughts about the book in your journal, maybe about each chapter from the book & how it's helping you.
What do you think?
Love Moonlitv.
"Fully functioning people are not interested in doing things better than everyone else; they look inward for their life goals....Look inward rather than at how you measure up to the other guy" - Pulling Your Own Strings by Dr. Wayne W. Dyer.
I was reading some books and taking the notes, waiting for therapy, not sure how I ll manage that. Fantasy comes usually evenings , or mornings, or when I want to skip reality. For rxple my ex today ( kids dad) was criticising me , that really hurted me. So maybe I look for some kind off protection or escape .. Went swimming with my daughter today , Tomorrow Match for my son. I are hell off al lot food after ex left, and have insomnia again. And watched those real life show ( death sentence).. ., it hit me hard hearing things negative for me. Maybe am mot good mum:( it's so hard
Post by moonlitvein on Mar 22, 2015 1:26:19 GMT -8
Hey, how are you feeling now? You don't have to worry about the gaps. It's Ok. I'm sure you are a good mum. You are too hard on yourself. We all need some time for ourselves, especially mums, I feel. It's not easy raising kids. But hey, you are doing it.
Criticism hurts all of us. You don't have to let anyone tell you or decide for you who you are or what you are. You know who you are, so move forward with that.
So you do read & make notes. That must be feeling nice. It's okay that you can't do gym & running now. You can still stick to your home exercise & your books. That way you stay in reality, right? We all hate reality sometimes but we must come back with good thoughts about ourselves & our family.
Pls don't watch anything that you feel can be negative. Go for the comedy movies or animation films. You'll love them.
So have a good cry, forget about what the ex told you. It's healing. And then come back to your books, your exercise, come back to music, making dough with your daughter & swimming with her Come back to all these, fantasise about these & smile
I know you can't decorate your home right now but there are small things you can do. Try this:
"Fully functioning people are not interested in doing things better than everyone else; they look inward for their life goals....Look inward rather than at how you measure up to the other guy" - Pulling Your Own Strings by Dr. Wayne W. Dyer.
Thank you for the tip, I only moved in November in empty house no floors or paint. It's completely empty. I've manage to do 1 sitting room that's were we sleep and stay all the time. I am not good at painting and I don't know how to put laminate, carpet. I have friends but never ask them for help, they to busy . So it's frustrating as I am not good at DIY .. And I painted 2 rooms but they far from perfect! And I just gave up. Also with all recovery things I. Feel drained out and no motivation. I need to pull myself together and make some decor .. I have no wardrobes, and no cupboards, all this to buy gonna take long time. I do get help and I am not good at saving it's not much I can save, paying bills exct. Long work in front off me. Thanks
You are very intelligent and the way you wrote the questions makes a good sense. I do read woman who runs with wolfs. Am taking notes . Also keep doing exercises. What about you Moonlitvein ? How was your weekend ?
Post by moonlitvein on Mar 23, 2015 9:28:48 GMT -8
Thanks Waterlili
Hey I am planning to read Women Who Run With the Wolves too. I have the book. But I already have a lot to read now. I am reading Breaking the Chain Of Low Self Esteem right now & doing exercises from it. Other than self help I have put aside some novels which I really want to read this year. I have noticed that when I write or make notes & then I reread them again 2 to 3 days later it really helps. I understand new things about myself.
I am job hunting now & hoping it will work out well.
I think if you have been successful in doing the sitting room & painted 2 rooms, you'll slowly manage to do the rest of the house. Just give it some time. Don't think the negative. Stay with the positive. I also lose motivation sometime. But then I relax, calm down & pick up the pieces & say that tomorrow will be better.
In the meantime will you be able to get some colourful boxes & some shelves till you can buy cupboards & other furniture?
May I ask how old the kids are? Can you give them some little home duties for example each of them should be responsible for cleaning their own stuff or keeping the sitting room tidy. That way they will also know how to take up duties & help you.
My weekend was good since I got a lot of stuff done this week, so I was happy. Did some writing, watched a film, spent time with a friend How was yours?
And listen... we all are intelligent, emotional & sensitive in our own way. You are too Waterlili
Love MV
Don't be discouraged by the introduction. A little over my head. But the stories . . . Susan
Last Edit: Mar 24, 2015 11:54:24 GMT -8 by Susan Peabody
"Fully functioning people are not interested in doing things better than everyone else; they look inward for their life goals....Look inward rather than at how you measure up to the other guy" - Pulling Your Own Strings by Dr. Wayne W. Dyer.
Thank you too. It is true about reading and taking notes, because that way I can recognise myself or my habits. I've recieved book about breakup and started reading it . So the woman with wolfs have to wait , I ll read it from the start again . I ve got loads off homework to do my kids are 9& 7. Boy and girl. They do nice things for me but sometimes it's hard work lol. I received some money for flooring but it's not my ability to put them so am not sure who to ask. I have no family in here... Sometimes hard without helping help. That why I asked kids dad. Tho he is not my favourite person to be arround.... I have to tell you what I did yesterday. I was speaking about my decor with my colleague. She said I need a man to help me with that... We had a laugh and then I said maybe you know anyone ? It was in joke form . Later on she said I do. So now my fantasy from poa goes to person I don't even know . I was petrified when she said I'll give him your number. . That's crazy . So now I have battlefield in my mind: yes or no.
We can discuss the book later? If you want?! What job are you looking for. I change / jobs this year lol. Am lucky to have one. Well done for doing exercises:)
Post by moonlitvein on Mar 25, 2015 10:09:38 GMT -8
Ya of course we can discuss the book
Try to tackle the battle field in your mind regarding the fantasy about the guy who will come to help you by believing that you have come a long way on your own in so many ways. So you don't necessarily need an unknown man to come in & help you. That will trigger your fantasy addiction even more. Instead sit & make a list of what needs to get done immediately. Those which you can tackle now, do them slowly. For the rest try to think of one friend who might help. I know you told me all of them are busy. But there must be someone who will be willing. So don't hesitate to ask for help from a friend but I think we fantasy lovers must exercise some hesitation & caution when it comes to this kind of a situation. So stay with your rational brain.
What's your update otherwise?
"Fully functioning people are not interested in doing things better than everyone else; they look inward for their life goals....Look inward rather than at how you measure up to the other guy" - Pulling Your Own Strings by Dr. Wayne W. Dyer.
Thank you MV. The ask for help it's big issue for me ! I think as God put me here so it means I have to handle situation on my own. It is wrong. I don't like to bother ppl with my problems , but I asked kids dad ( other ex) for help. But he is getting bit controlling, as telling me how to live ext, and how to rise kids.. Come on. He is gambler , liar, and I told him that. So he stay away from me. MV , I don't know who to ask.. Seriously .. I feel awkward at least. My own family not concerned about kids or me. Why other ppl must?
It is true what you said about fantasy. I do think about poa but I think more about who he really was ; playboy, liar. I was working hard this week. And had opportunity to expand my working skills yesterday. Was so exited! I am feeling better a lot better, if I meet males I can talk to them but I notice red flags everywhere . Wbu?
Post by moonlitvein on Mar 30, 2015 9:22:34 GMT -8
Hey, I realized I never got down to answering this post of yours.
In my case I have decided that I want to see men as individuals & human beings...rather than thinking about them as being potential partners. If I look at men just as men only and not as individuals first I am also at some level...sometime, thinking of them unconsciously as sex objects... And that's not a good thing to do. Do we women like to be looked at as sex objects? No...we want respect as individuals. So men deserve the same (of course I am talking about good, honest men here, not the ones who are violent, abusive & don't respect us.)
It's one of my resolutions.
"Fully functioning people are not interested in doing things better than everyone else; they look inward for their life goals....Look inward rather than at how you measure up to the other guy" - Pulling Your Own Strings by Dr. Wayne W. Dyer.
Well said MV about being a sex object . That was me in all relationships: hot, sexy. But not many care for real. And of course I want to think about man not as sex object either : but as sex was big part in my life and always maybe to much in the centre of relationship .. I don't know what to writte .. I just reading this book. But it's hard to understand . And I feel stuck .. Lol how are you doing MV?
Which book is this? I am okay Wlili. Hope things have settled down with you.
"Fully functioning people are not interested in doing things better than everyone else; they look inward for their life goals....Look inward rather than at how you measure up to the other guy" - Pulling Your Own Strings by Dr. Wayne W. Dyer.
Hey, thanks for wili: D lol looo l am reading women who reads with wolves. I usually read while kids are around so cannot concentrate .. English my not first language so I need to use dictinionary
From Susan . . . I had to skip the introduction and English is my native tongue. Feel free to go straight to the wonderful stories about the power of women suppressed by the patriarchy we live in. Goddesses existed long before Gods were created. Women were worshiped for their fertility. It frightened men that women could bleed and not die. My favorite history books are, Sex in History by Tannahill, Up From Eden by Wilbur. This movement to acknowledge Mary Magdalene as a disciple among desciples is part of the changes women are starting to demand.
All these books, if you like to read, are part of women building up their self-esteem. There is a cultural bias against women all over the world, and we have to overcome this. (Men have their special issues pertaining to sexual prowess.) For now we live in a patriarchy. In my book, Addiction to Love, I list this as a "contributing factor" to love addiction.
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Thank you Susan for an advice, , I just find out that this book was taken to writte 25 years. I guess I just have to start reading it another time. . I was recommended this book as self help. From my therapy teacher