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Post by Susan Peabody on Dec 8, 2017 11:36:25 GMT -8
Appropriate Self-Concern
Susan Peabody
Most Relationship Addicts have suffered as children. Sometimes they displace the pain. Sometimes they take it out on others. Sometimes they feel sorry for themselves. In recovery, one has to look at this. Displacement must give way to understanding following by a process of grieving the lost childhood. Anger must be contained and some form of forgiveness put in place. Self-pity must be replaced with appropriate self-concern. Most Relationship Addicts do not feel sorry for themselves. They become addicted to feeling sorry for their unavailable partner. But in recovery, when you first discover you are the victim of a dysfunctional childhood, it is easy to go from denial to an overwhelming sense of “Why me?” If this happens, I want to explain that any emotion can be addictive, and people with low self-esteem can get addicted to self-pity. Self-pity becomes a substitute for healthy self-esteem. It is the only way an addict can feel at all when they are stuck here. You may ask why would one get addicted to such a negative emotion. Gerald May, in Addiction and Grace explains that not all mood altering experiences make you feel good. There is a whole population of people who are so shame-based that they identify more with pain than pleasure. They only feel alive when they are suffering. An example would be cutters who self-mutilate to send a healing balm to their wound or feel this is what they deserve. The answer to most problems dealing with extremes is the proverbial middle ground. You feel your sorrow and grief for yourself when you come to understand how much you have suffered in your childhood and when you strike out to find a loving partner to make up for that. At the same time, you do not dwell on this. You move on to appropriate self-concern which you feel when you are processing the past and when you the past pain is triggered in recovery.
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Post by paisley on Dec 8, 2017 12:50:36 GMT -8
I sometimes have trouble finding the middle ground. I sometimes feel like the self-pity and despair are supposed to be there.
I go back and forth with it. Usually I’m ok...but I have days (like today) where I’m consumed with self pity. I am grieving not only my lost childhood, but my lost adolescence. My lost early adulthood. The family I never created. True love and intimacy I never experienced and likely never will.
I did some major grieving years ago when I first discovered my LA. But maybe I need more. Yes, I’ve grown to accept that I can be ok without a partner, but I’m still sad that it has to be this way for me. Everyone talking about their significant other at work. Friends getting divorced or breaking up, but then moving on (in time) and finding a new lover or getting remarried. Basically everyone pairing off while I’m still the wallflower. It’s been almost 8 years since I split with my husband and I had nothing but a couple of unhealthy relationships with men and a few near misses with guys that seem more worthwhile. I feel there is no one for me and it’s always been that way. I just don’t fit in when it comes to romance.
I can count my blessings, and I have many. Professionally I’m on fire. Socially, I have my pick of activities and a crowd who love me and want me around.
I even have a crush who wants to spend significant time with me in a few weeks. But inside I’m whining because I want more and I want it now.
I’m baffled because no one I know experiences this scenario of having someone flirty and interested who doesn’t want contact outside of when it comes together without having to take initiative. No. When a normal human being is interested, he reaches out. He wants more. He doesn’t leave you wondering for weeks at a time with no invitation to connect in between.
I know I’m obsessing now and I can’t stop. I’m mad. I’m full of resentment and grief. I want to stop expecting a man to relieve that for me, but dang, no one on earth, not even people who I know are way less pulled together than I am, seem to have this much difficulty having a romantic relationship or just navigating a simple crush or dealing with friendly attention from a man.
It shouldn’t be so debilitating, and yet it still is. I’ve worked on myself and will continue to do so. It’s not from lack of effort. I just feel so incapable in this regard and that makes me sad. Makes me pity myself. It will lift, I will feel better, but dang. It’s like the universe is playing a sick joke on me. That would make anyone feel pitiful. I didn’t ask for this. I didn’t want to be abused as a child and grow up neglected and turn into a person who obsesses, and pines, and can’t think straight when a guy “kind of” shows interest.
I don’t even need a boyfriend to make me feel complete, I just want to stop feeling as if I do. Because it destroys me and brings out my weirdness and my craziness, hence making me less likely to have success in that regard.
But hey, I have financial security, tons of friends and I’m healthy. I’m just a freak when it comes to dealing with romance. No biggie, it’s just what our society expects if you’re to be considered normal. It’s just what millions of years of evolution have wired us to do (pair up and procreate). I should not be sad that I lack the ability to do this most basic and instinctual thing...I should grieve my loss and move forward...alone. Independent, successful, healthy and alone.
Dang, yeah, I’m feeling some self-pity today.
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Post by Susan Peabody on Dec 8, 2017 13:18:59 GMT -8
Dang, yeah, I’m feeling some self-pity today. I did not mean to imply that we don't feel sorry for ourselves. Of course we do. We just can't stay there. We have to feel our pain and then move on. Love addiction is cunning, baffling, powerful, and insidious. It never goes away. Your brain has been permanently altered. But the cravings do go to sleep for longer and longer periods and over time they are less intense. Most of all when we are triggered we have the strength not to act of them. Just process your feelings if they do not go away right away. Emailing me is part of processing them. Identify what triggered you. Talk about it to someone you trust. Write is you have time Feel the pain without self-medicating When you are ready let go. Forgive if you can Accept that his happened Move on to the next thing in front of you.  
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Post by paisley on Dec 8, 2017 17:30:04 GMT -8
Exactly what I needed to read/hear.
Triggered by winter. Happens every year. It's cold, it's dark. I just want to pair up with a guy and hibernate.
Also by listening to coworkers talk about their families and me getting jealous.
It seems to come from a juvenile place in my psyche, because I just want to wail.
I do not like the feeling of being cold and alone.
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Post by paisley on Dec 8, 2017 17:39:27 GMT -8
"Forgive if you can"
Wow. I'm resentful towards the universe with this issue. Angry at the seasons. Resentful towards evolution, human sexuality, societal norms and my family of origin's dysfunction.
And for me, the universe is my higher power.
I don't think I've ever considered forgiving my higher power.
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Post by Susan Peabody on Dec 8, 2017 21:45:49 GMT -8
"Forgive if you can" Wow. I'm resentful towards the universe with this issue. Angry at the seasons. Resentful towards evolution, human sexuality, societal norms and my family of origin's dysfunction. And for me, the universe is my higher power. I don't think I've ever considered forgiving my higher power. Forgiveness
Susan Peabody Excerpt from The Art of Changing
Some people believe forgiveness is important and others don’t. In his book Alcoholics Anonymous author Bill Wilson (the cofounder of AA) discusses forgiveness and says its necessary for sobriety. He calls it “letting go of resentment,” not forgiveness, and says it’s not done to please others, but in the interest of self. “Resentment is the “number one” offender. It destroys more alcoholics than anything else. From it stem all forms of spiritual disease, for we have been not only mentally and physically ill, we have been spiritually sick. When the spirituality malady is overcome, we straighten out mentally and physically.... It is plain that a life which includes deep resentment leads only to futility and unhappiness.... [T]his business of resentment is infinitely grave. We found that it is fatal.... If we were to live, we had to be free of anger.... They [resentments] may be the dubious luxury of normal men, but for alcoholics these things are poison.” On the other hand, there are the scientific psychologists (as opposed to the transpersonal therapists), like Susan Forward, in Toxic Parents, and Ellen Bass and Laura Davis in The Courage to Heal: A Guide for Women Survivors of Child Sexual Abuse, who proclaim that forgiveness is not necessarily a part of the process of changing, it might even be dangerous. In talking about recovering from an abusive childhood, Susan Forward says this: “You may be asking yourself, “Isn’t the first step to forgive my parents?” My answer is no . . . [It] is not necessary to forgive your parents in order to feel better about yourself and to change your life.... Why in the world should you “Pardon” a father who terrorized and battered you, who made your childhood a living hell? ... Early in my professional career I too believed that to forgive people who had injured you, especially your parents, was an important part of the healing process.... The more I thought about it, the more I realized that this absolution was really another form of denial.... One of the most dangerous things about forgiveness is that it undercuts your ability to let go of your pent-up emotions. How can you acknowledge your anger against a parent whom you’ve already forgiven?” (pp. 187) The question is this: Is it possible that Bill Wilson and Susan Forward are both right? Yes. Susan Forward is correct when she says that we must own our anger. Anger is honest. Anger in the right setting is therapeutic. Anger can lead to justice. Anger can free us from tyranny. And by coming out against forgiveness, Forward allows us to take our time without shame. Bill Wilson, in my opinion, is also right. If we stop resenting people, we feel better about ourselves and others. This changes us and our lives. If you decide that forgiveness is for you, it might be helpful to realize that letting go of anger does not mean you have to like the person who hurt you or continue to let that person persecute you. Actually, you don’t even have to be around people who hurt you if you don’t want to. For years I attended a church where another member absolutely hated me. I loved to talk about my involvement in 12-step programs and she was so narrow-minded that she spoke up against me. “I am tired of hearing about those steps,” she used to say. One day she berated me at a committee meeting and I quietly left. I went home and wrote a letter to the pastor tending my resignation on the committee. I ended the letter with the lines, “You know, Christ asks us to love our neighbors and our enemies alike, but some people you just have to love from a distance.” Furthermore, forgiveness is not a constant state. It ebbs and flows like the tide. Sometimes you feel good about those who hurt you, and other times you feel the anger all over again. But this doesn’t mean you have not progressed. I’ve found that, as long as I ask God for the strength to release my anger, or announce it in my support group that I am going to “turn it over,” or tell my therapist I am really tired of these resentments and want them to go away, the anger comes less and less often. Please note, despite my own personal feelings about the value of forgiveness as a therapeutic and healing device, and the right moral choice for me, I feel strongly that it is a very personal choice and that no one should be told to forgive when they’re not ready. They shouldn’t be shamed by others, and they should not shame themselves. They should just push themselves gently in the right direction.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2017 22:23:20 GMT -8
... I'm resentful towards the universe with this issue. Angry at the seasons. Resentful towards evolution, human sexuality, societal norms and my family of origin's dysfunction. ... ... Furthermore, forgiveness is not a constant state. It ebbs and flows like the tide. Sometimes you feel good about those who hurt you, and other times you feel the anger all over again. But this doesn’t mean you have not progressed. I’ve found that, as long as I ask God for the strength to release my anger, or announce it in my support group that I am going to “turn it over,” or tell my therapist I am really tired of these resentments and want them to go away, the anger comes less and less often. ... Recently, I have been trying not to get stuck in my anger. I've been literally screaming at God this past week. I just can't believe that I had to endure this and there does not seem to be any justice in sight. I'm nearly consumed at times and that last little slice of rationality holds on in the storm. I don't take it out on anyone at all. I reserve this anger for a conversation with God. He's big enough to handle my tantrums. On a couple of occasions, I have been very purposeful with an active "renouncement" of resentment. Sometimes it helps. Other times it's a futile gesture. I've begged God for years to take this from me. It is very clear that I am intended to carry this burden. I am exhausted at times by this anger.
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Post by paisley on Dec 9, 2017 4:43:47 GMT -8
Seems like I’ve reached that level of acceptance before but maybe I was delusional about it. Same with forgiving my parents. Especially my father. From my mom, I felt love and she apologized eventually after getting her life together and working the steps. She then devoted her entire life to helping people. She took her last breath with a clean conscience and a belief she was going to heaven.
My dad never acknowledged the pain he caused. He became frail and nervous and learned to respect me, but never owned up. I took the quiet respect and decided we would have a relationship and in many ways I let him off the hook.
Even while working the 12 steps myself, I found it difficult to concentrate on him and the massive pain he caused. “I’m ok despite this” I would say, which was perhaps my biggest delusion.
He destroyed my childhood in many ways. Sure, many children have it worse. Many adults have a worse life than I do, for sure. I’m going to guess I actually have it better than most in every way, except when it comes to maintaining a romantic relationship with a significant other.
I guess I’m starting to realize how significant that has been and continues to be. I’ve been delusional about it. Pretending it’s no big deal to just not be able to initiate or maintain a healthy romantic relationship. It’s huge. It’s devastating on some levels.
Maybe it’s time I admit there is no cure. The damage is done and this is who I am. I can recover to an extent. I can take advice and change my behavior. I can continue to work at this. But it’s still here. It’s unlikely I’ll find a healthy partner who can deal with my ocd that flips on when I’m in a relationship. Healthy people don’t pair up with gals like me. So as long as my standards are high (and they have to be, for the sake of safety and dignity) I will likely be single.
This is due to having a dad who brutalized my siblings and me during his alcohol-fueled rages. I should be pretty mad about that. Mad at him. I should stop remembering him or referring to him as a good man. He was a horrible provider, horrible example and horrible father. He hated kids. He couldn’t respect me until I grew up and became more successful and stronger than he was.
Maybe there is more 4th and 5th step stuff I need to address with regards to him. I know last go-round I didn’t want to touch it, aside from a couple of resentments.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2017 12:26:39 GMT -8
... I guess I’m starting to realize how significant that has been and continues to be. I’ve been delusional about it. Pretending it’s no big deal to just not be able to initiate or maintain a healthy romantic relationship. It’s huge. It’s devastating on some levels. ... One time, I was going to a store to get some household goods. The store was across town in a place I usually do not shop. When entering, POA's mother walked out. I recognized her instantly, but I think she did not recognize me. I was filled with a tremendous rage and stared the woman down like chainsaws were flying out of my eyes. I very nearly chased her down and screamed at her. I wanted to rip her limb from limb... I managed to subdue myself and get what I needed from the shop. When I came back to the car and sat there considering what had just passed. I realized that I was way more damaged than I had thought previously. This only made me angrier and I don't think that I would be able to manage myself if that situation came up again. That is one of the reasons I had been observing so carefully. I know that if I cross paths with these people it will end badly for everyone. I'm quite controlled in other situations. This would be a clear cut case of temporary insanity.
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Post by Susan Peabody on Dec 9, 2017 15:17:46 GMT -8
I have done lots of 4th and 5th steps around my resentment for my mother. But nothing got resolved until I got into therapy and faced my anger. Eventually after two years of raging and I forgave her.
As long as I could remember, I had been angry with my mother both as a child and as an adult. Once I had a dream in which I was so angry at my mother that I was paralyzed. I couldn’t move. I opened my mouth to scream at her, and the words got stuck in my throat. Later in the dream I was talking to my father, and he told me that my mother was pregnant. I went into a rage. Then my mother appeared and I screamed at her, “You are going to do to another child what you did to me?” I was so angry I woke myself up. I didn’t tell my therapist about the dream right away. Instead I went to my mother. I wanted to process my feelings about my childhood with her, so I asked her a lot of questions about what was going on in the family when I was young. Mom just stared at me. She didn’t want to talk about it. “I don’t remember,” she said. I was livid. Not only had she neglected me as a child, and exposed me to the parent who had abused her, now she was impending in my attempts to get better. When I finally talked to my therapist about it, he said something interesting. He shrugged his shoulders and said sympathetically, “Oh, she couldn’t do it.” I stopped dead in my tracks when I realized that he didn’t say “she wouldn’t do it.” He said she “couldn’t do it.” What a difference a letter can make. I suddenly began looking at my mother in a brand-new light. Of course there was more to this story that this. One day while venting about my mother my therapist asked me why I was so angry at my mother. I told him that she had really hurt me. He said is that the only reason. I got angry and said, “What are you talking about.” “Go deeper he said.” I was livid and then I blurted out. “Don’t you understand that when I am angry at her I do not feel so guilty about doing the same thing to my children.” He just smiled and ended the session. I went home and had a good cry. Later, I wrote my mother a letter offering her my forgiveness. When she received the letter she cried (since I had asked her not to call me, my sister phoned to tell me). It was almost six months later that my mother went into the hospital for emergency surgery. As I sat by her bed in the recovery room she reached out and took my hand. Tears started streaming down her face and she said, “Susie, you will never know how much your letter meant to me. I love you so much.” I started crying too and we just sat there in silence the wounds healing and the peace settling into our hearts. This was the beginning of my life-long attempt to let go of the past and forgive all the people who had harmed me. After mom, everyone else was a piece of cake. Interestingly enough, after forgiving my mom for her shortcomings, I also found it easier to forgive myself for the mistakes I had made with my own children.
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