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Post by Loveanimals on Jan 14, 2020 8:11:34 GMT -8
Susan touched on this in one of my threads.
Because I also suffer from anxiety, depression and an eating disorder, I find that others who are working the steps are more understanding of what I'm going through. Yet this also brings up childhood wounds and pain for people in dating. I know AA says to wait a year, but for those who are over a year in AA, is it safe to date them?
If not, where do you find people who are understanding and not judgmental of what I'm going through? I certainly haven't met such a person.
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Post by Sexlessw on Jan 15, 2020 4:26:03 GMT -8
LoveAnimals:
I wish I could help you out here, but I haven't any words of advice for I have not traveled the road you traveled.
I know of one couple IRL who "found" each other at AA - Roger Ebert and his wife. But I don't think either one of them were looking for a relationship when it happened.
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Post by Susan Peabody on Jan 15, 2020 18:00:20 GMT -8
If not, where do you find people who are understanding and not judgmental of what I'm going through? I certainly haven't met such a person. Maybe you have not dated someone who understands you and is not judgmental, but you have found us and your Higher Power. Try to make do for the time being.
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Post by Loveanimals on Jan 15, 2020 22:12:37 GMT -8
Yeah that is true, Susannah. Like you said, when I miss the PoA, I pray to God.
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Post by Havefaith on Jan 16, 2020 11:37:13 GMT -8
loveanimals, be very careful before dating anyone in AA or any other anonymous meetings. There are predators who look for vulnerable folks and their motivations are not always honorable (i.e., having your best interests at heart is not always what they have in mind). A man admitted to me (when I attended SLAA) that he looks for women at his SLAA and AA meetings - he considers it a 'dating pool' and he turned out to be a predator. He lured women into his lair by some dark means. I know. I was one of them.
Please, anyone considering dating a fellow recovering addict -- tread slowly. Question their motivations at every step. Maintain healthy boundaries. Talk to your therapist/counselor (if you have one). Pray to HP for guidance.
HaveFaith
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Post by Loveanimals on Jan 16, 2020 18:32:59 GMT -8
Thank have faith. That's a good point to be cautious of the predators who try to take advantage of those of us who are vulnerable.
I know that some people think those meetings are a good place to meet men or women vs. a dating app. That's sad.
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Post by Susan Peabody on Jan 21, 2020 10:21:23 GMT -8
LoveAnimals: I wish I could help you out here, but I haven't any words of advice for I have not traveled the road you traveled. I know of one couple IRL who "found" each other at AA - Roger Ebert and his wife. But I don't think either one of them were looking for a relationship when it happened. I was single for 16 years. I had stopped looking and was enjoying my life. Then I met Frank in an elevator. He flirted with me and asked me out. I accepted and the rest is history. He is nothing like someone I would have picked online. I got to know him slowly and he grew on me. Then I fell in love. God works in mysterious ways.
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Post by Loveanimals on Jan 22, 2020 5:16:19 GMT -8
Susannah: That is a good person to meet, as you met him in real life and go to know him slowly. The problem with online dating and in my case, reuniting with a old high school flame on social media, is it's so easy to text 24/7 that the relationship goes from 0 to 100 right away, and then many times crashes and burns. Especially with someone in a 12 step program.
The codependent person in me wants to attend meetings with them and do the steps with them, but saying that has scared off a man in the past.
I'm just still hurting over losing 2 men in 12 step programs in the past year. The most recent one still really hurts and I pray and cuddle my cat a lot, plus read about relationships with people in recovery for substances.
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Post by Havefaith on Jan 22, 2020 7:28:40 GMT -8
"The codependent person in me wants to attend meetings with them and do the steps with them, but saying that has scared off a man in the past."
loveanimals, I SO understand wanting to do this. And I did. A fellow addict approached me in an SLAA meeting, and offered to work the Steps with him. He offered to be my sponsor, saying I had to work the Steps in order to heal and recover.
I was duped. He was charming, seemed SO very sincere. Then he slowly seduced me with his charm and sincerity - I fell for him and his smooth ways. He KNEW I was vulnerable and he took complete advantage of me. I could write a book about it, how he fed my addiction (and his, as well) -- but I won't. Suffice to say, I am in my tenth year of therapy...
HaveFaith
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Post by Loveanimals on Jan 22, 2020 7:55:06 GMT -8
Thank you, HaveFaith.
The last guy said that he only sponsored men, because of this problem. I said that makes sense due to the vulnerability factor. Of course that doesn't take into account same sex relationships.
You have done such a great job in your tenth year of recovery! I have read your posts on here and they are inspiring.
Now it's just finding a healthy way of dating, to find someone understanding but not in active recovery themselves. For me I feel like I'm already broken due to a severe anxiety disorder where I take a large amount of medication, so that only a recovering addict/alcoholic or someone with an anxiety disorder/depression would understand me and not reject me. I've been working on this in therapy.
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Post by Loveanimals on Feb 8, 2020 21:33:12 GMT -8
I went to an NA meeting tonight and I could feel the attraction with one man there, and another seemed interested in me. It's crazy how that works. I just told myself I'm there for healing and recovery, and not to meet a partner. The meeting went well.
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Post by Susan Peabody on Feb 9, 2020 7:02:32 GMT -8
My first year in AA it was all about dating. Then I got serious about the steps and recovery. Recover is a process. It has many stages. I encourage you to also go to women's meetings.
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Post by Loveanimals on Feb 9, 2020 11:09:22 GMT -8
Oh thank you. I go to a Women's Bible Study on Monday nights. I will check out the Women's meetings, since I'm so attracted to the men.
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Post by paisley on Feb 13, 2020 21:05:06 GMT -8
I have met a few long-term friends from recovery groups. Men and women. No one romantically though...although I've had some men in recovery make an attempt. I agree with being very vigilant for predators. I say some form of sex or love addiction is rampant in AA, as some of us see this as the core issue...alcohol is more of a symptom...at least it was for me. So unless someone was far enough in recovery to know what their baggage is, and has a good plan for when the going gets tough, I'd steer clear.
There are folks in all levels of recovery so I don't think there is a set answer for how long you should wait, etc. There are a lot of resources, books, etc that can help you determine if you're in a good state for pursuing a relationship.
I also don't think there's a set point in your life or in your recovery journey when you're not deserving of affection, should you find someone ready willing and able to offer it and the feelings are mutual. Some people's "crazy" just lines up well and two "beginners" in the program could fare just fine together. On the other hand...there are folks who have been going to meetings for years or even decades who haven't even scratched the surface on addressing their issues and would likely be nightmares to date or get involved with. Ya never know...but you can certainly brush up on what a healthy relationship looks like and vow not to ignore any red flags.
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Post by paisley on Feb 13, 2020 21:43:57 GMT -8
Does this person have to be a "date"? Think about what you're seeking and think about whether you can get that from a non-romantic friend. I met a couple of my best girlfriends indirectly through AA, and a couple more with crazy upbringings who recovered by other means (therapy, whatever). They have an intimate understanding of my checkered past and my wounds. I agree that someone who has gone through the same things can be a valuable friend to have. These friends are my foundation, my support, my "sisters" and I love them.
I spent most of 10 years with no partner and very few dates, but LOTS of healthy activity...I had to create that life I wanted before I could invite someone else into it. Like always wanting to date a rock star, but then deciding to become a rock star instead. My boyfriend has never been in recovery, but has a respect and understanding of my issues and my past. He can tolerate my level of crazy.
If a potential date shows up, think it over first and I would recommend getting a panel of women friends together to help you sort through it. My "sisters" have done this for me and I've done it for them. If you're too ashamed to discuss it and get feedback from your peers, it's automatically deemed to be not healthy. Really, having this panel of experts (girlfriends who get you) should be required if you want to date in recovery.
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Post by Loveanimals on Feb 14, 2020 1:42:59 GMT -8
Hi paisley,
Thank you for your posts. These are really helpful and I appreciate the advice as I return to real-life meetings.
My friends are helpful and many times I have not listened to their advice and instead seek the "fix" of a POA's texts. You are right to listen to them.
The healthy activity is important. I also joined a adventure group in November, and met some good friends, female and male.
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Post by ~w~ on Aug 24, 2022 21:09:53 GMT -8
Hi, have finished 5 set of steps and I thought i could try dating. My therapist had also encouraged me to do this, better than not trying. Had been single for 4+ Years/ 2 weeks ago had downloaded online apps. But had to delete them . And do 30 days not going onto them. Had my my “ match” but seems that we were just far away from each other. So both decided to end it, asked him to block me , because i felt too weak and powerless to do that. Now i am in withdrawal. I feel rejection . And unblocked him couple of times, hoping he would change his mind, and we can find a middle ground.
Dating plan had been discussed with my sponsor, therapist. Some things had changed, out of 100 man talking online only gave my number to 1, pushed back and put boundaries saying i will not talk 18+ talk, it is for exclusive relationship. There were sparkles and flirt, and emotional connection . However never had met M in person. Thus, i am now feeling it was all but “ assigning magical qualities I wanted “ , i was willing to move for him, or i felt that i was putting way to much effort. Txt quite intense though not 24-7 ;
Currently in withdrawal 30 days no contact. Feeling rejected , put also no contact with family that probably going to be permanent. I had no contact with them for 2 years previously.
In reality no one asks me on the date, so online dating felt flattering and ego boost- though objectified/,ing - felt really horrible. Once again working through “ not being worthy of love “, and distorted thinking “ he was sent by my HP” those beliefs had tripped me in the past. Dating online it was like a microwave effect, but healthy dating is slow “ oven baking “.
I wanted find out about values, interests, beliefs.. but I couldn’t do it in 5days of chats and 1 video call. Still hoping he will cone back.
Such a love addict.
Feedback is welcome. Was really unwilling to exchange phone numbers with man, not doing anything rushed so many had fell pff naturally. Wanted to be wanted, desired and was willing to cross my bottom lines for M. I haven’t done this for a while, but I could see my addiction. Very scary experience. Thanks for allowing me to share, feedback is welcome 🙏
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Post by ~w~ on Aug 24, 2022 21:11:58 GMT -8
Hi, have finished 5 set of steps and I thought i could try dating. My therapist had also encouraged me to do this, better than not trying. Had been single for 4+ Years/ 2 weeks ago had downloaded online apps. But had to delete them . And do 30 days not going onto them. Had my my “ match” but seems that we were just far away from each other. So both decided to end it, asked him to block me , because i felt too weak and powerless to do that. Now i am in withdrawal. I feel rejection . And unblocked him couple of times, hoping he would change his mind, and we can find a middle ground.
Dating plan had been discussed with my sponsor, therapist. Some things had changed, out of 100 man talking online only gave my number to 1, pushed back and put boundaries saying i will not talk 18+ talk, it is for exclusive relationship. There were sparkles and flirt, and emotional connection . However never had met M in person. Thus, i am now feeling it was all but “ assigning magical qualities I wanted “ , i was willing to move for him, or i felt that i was putting way to much effort. Txt quite intense though not 24-7 ;
Currently in withdrawal 30 days no contact. Feeling rejected , put also no contact with family that probably going to be permanent. I had no contact with them for 2 years previously.
In reality no one asks me on the date, so online dating felt flattering and ego boost- though objectified/,ing - felt really horrible. Once again working through “ not being worthy of love “, and distorted thinking “ he was sent by my HP” those beliefs had tripped me in the past. Dating online it was like a microwave effect, but healthy dating is slow “ oven baking “.
I wanted find out about values, interests, beliefs.. but I couldn’t do it in 5days of chats and 1 video call. Still hoping he will cone back.
Such a love addict.
Feedback is welcome. Was really unwilling to exchange phone numbers with man, not doing anything rushed so many had fell pff naturally. Wanted to be wanted, desired and was willing to cross my bottom lines for M. I haven’t done this for a while, but I could see my addiction. Very scary experience. Thanks for allowing me to share, feedback is welcome 🙏
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Post by RoseNadler on Aug 25, 2022 6:48:51 GMT -8
I think you are very brave to try dating again. I’m not sure I could do it.
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Post by Susan Peabody on Aug 25, 2022 8:04:06 GMT -8
When I got sober recovery literature was scarce, so I had no idea what I was doing when I started dating in recovery. So, I actually did poorly and continued adult children behavior until I read Judith Sills book, A Fine Romance. From her ideas I wrote the LAA Dating Plan. Here is this message board's insights about dating in recovery. healingloveaddiction.boards.net/board/307/dating-recovery
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