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Dec 9, 2009 11:26:49 GMT -8
Post by Susan Peabody on Dec 9, 2009 11:26:49 GMT -8
Do you have a picture of your Phantom Lover . . .
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Dec 9, 2009 13:56:02 GMT -8
Post by lotus on Dec 9, 2009 13:56:02 GMT -8
Please don't laugh at me...my phantom lover isn't a bad-boy who isn't healthy for love addicts. He is a strong protector-type. 
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Jan 21, 2010 2:26:06 GMT -8
Post by primrose on Jan 21, 2010 2:26:06 GMT -8
Okay, this makes my toes curl in shame  but I get the point of this now. I've been thinking about it since coming to the board and I realise a few things. I wanted to be my POA. There were things about him I didn't have. I'd been a "good" girl all my life, sexually anorectic all through my 20s, I was an artist in a garret being amazingly creative but not making money. Sex and money were real problem areas for me. Then I meet my POA a huge sex and money addict and was hooked. He manifested the things I denied, and I guess my sexual innocence and creativity were things he didn't have either, but whatever. I wanted the things he had. In recovery I've had to start providing those things myself, and it's been so hard to stop trying to get them externally. It's a process to become sexually mature when I was so avoidant of intimacy, it's a process to learn how to make money when I'm an underearner. Connecting to a HP has not come naturally to me at all, and I still think of myself as an atheist and perhaps always will, but I did start to pray and hand my will over, and I do that every day now, if it works, work it And that is what I've done, along with meetings and steps and trying not to obsess and doing service etc, all to try to break that connection with my POA and have a life. MY life. And life is so much better, it's miraculous really. But, I know that at a deep level I am still connected to my POA. It's not that I obsess every day, I don't, but I'm here on this board because I do need more help, I just know it. I'm in therapy too and work hard in therapy, always have. I just am a torchbearer. I am what I used to be in contempt of in other women. The terribly sad women in slaa meetings who just couldn't let go of some awful useless prat for years and years. I'd roll my eyes at them, as they just couldn't get the programme, nothing shifted for them. And here I am, a fellow torchbearer. Sigh. So l've been trying the phantom lover thing, and it works. It works! Cried last night doing it and I see from my image how desperate I was as a child to be protected, the image I have is of a protector, and I'm crying now writing this, because it's such a simple child need, and if this is what will help me heal, so be it. Who cares if it seems naive. Overcame my total disdain for 12 step as a place full of god huggers because I had to go back to get well, so if my child wants a warrior prince riding around mongolia, she can have just that. Thank you to Susan if it was you who came up with this idea. Id never come across it before, and if it unplugs me from the very toxic protaction of my POA then I am very very grateful. Primrose.
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Jan 21, 2010 7:29:12 GMT -8
Post by geedee on Jan 21, 2010 7:29:12 GMT -8
primrose, I'd been a "good" girl all my life, CHECK Then I meet my POA a huge sex and money addict and was hooked. He manifested the things I denied, and I guess my sexual innocence and creativity were things he didn't have either, but whatever. I wanted the things he had. CHECK and so much more in common as you already know... but i'm no atheist! praying to my God for you  greta
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Jan 21, 2010 10:15:04 GMT -8
Post by primrose on Jan 21, 2010 10:15:04 GMT -8
Hey good girl  thanks for the prayers, very welcome today!. Xx
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Jan 21, 2010 19:09:15 GMT -8
Post by Angel on Jan 21, 2010 19:09:15 GMT -8
Dear Primrose,
I too can relate to the fact that my POA used to be what I saw as deficient in myself. Then for some reason I switched and went for someone who was almost identical to myself. It was still chaotic - lots of chemistry and feelings but chaotic.
Now I am taking time out to really get to know myself and work on my character defects. One of these being what you have identified as the 'poverty'.
I am working at it and using the 12 steps. I am still anxious and scared and it is hard for me to let go of control and just let things unfold. I will save that for another thread!
Yes, I am a torchbearer too. Just about all of the LA stuff I am in some degree or another and it has taken me a while to work through it all. Doing the 12 steps is the way to go about it and being gentle on myself and letting it all happen.
For some reason my Phantom Lover is invisible to me. I am not sure why. I guess if I had to choose one he would be big, tall, strong and really smart. Also he would be kind, gentle and with a great sense of humor. Somewhat like Carot Ironfounderson in the Discworld series.
I don't spend much time thinking about him. Maybe I should! But at the moment I seem to want to purge all thoughts of men from my mind. Not sure why that is.
Hugs
Angel
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Jan 22, 2010 0:13:54 GMT -8
Post by primrose on Jan 22, 2010 0:13:54 GMT -8
Best luck Angel with working on the money! i find my underearning is SO connected to my love addiction. I'm working the steps in a money fellowship (very slowly though) but my instinct is that really breaking the psychic connection with my POA will bring about a shift with money. Such powerful stuff! I hope we'll both be very prosperous in time 
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Jan 28, 2010 0:42:14 GMT -8
Post by Angel on Jan 28, 2010 0:42:14 GMT -8
I don't have a photo of my phantom Lover but I know the sort of guy I really want.
Carrot Ironfounderson is a character in Terry Pratchett's books. I really like him. He is tall and strong (he was adopted by dwarfs!!) and is simple and honest. Carrot isn't dumb but people occasionallly mistake him for it but not twice! He is just sooo honest. He may keep information to himself but he NEVER EVER lies and he also is extremely friendly and kind to everyone he meets. EVERYONE likes Carrot!
He is the sort of guy I want. My POA was a Bit like him but not totally.
Angel
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Mar 20, 2010 15:21:54 GMT -8
Post by strummergirl on Mar 20, 2010 15:21:54 GMT -8
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