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Post by walkingonwater on Dec 27, 2009 6:38:14 GMT -8
Hi there,
I seem to be a confusing mix of LA, torchbearning and ambivalence. I fluctuate from avoiding others and intimacy and desperately needing it and searching for it, and fantasising/obsessing about people (usually after a couple of dates). I have only once had any kind of committed relationship and that only lasted a few months and was not healthy.
So I'm not totally sure how relevant all of the advice on this forum is, because I have achieved n/c for most of my life and that is a big problem for me! Somehow I need to learn how to both switch off the attachment hunger and at the same time learn to trust and take things slowly, and to only get involved with healthy people.
I'd really appreciate advice for recovery from others who have a more avoidant / ambivalent past and who have recovered and since had healthy relationships. Any books, tips etc? What is your 'bottom lines'? Is n/c relevant?
All advice gratefully received.
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Post by LovelyJune on Dec 27, 2009 8:34:48 GMT -8
I used to go through periods of avoidance, and I would definitely consider myself an ambivalent love addict (i also carried many torches in my earlier years). I think a great part of my problem (which I never really wanted to admit) was that I was simply immature when it came to taking care of myself. I spent most of my life avoiding life's responsibilities by either hiding behind a relationship or attempting to get out of one or simply whiling away the hours in fantasy mode. These are all emotionally and mentally immature acts which are self-defeating. I further stunted my growth by refusing to get real and take on responsibility in the way of a career (notice how I am talking more about responsibility and NOT any relationship?). Once I was forced into having to take care of myself and my children, via a divorce, I grew up pretty darn fast. And when you grow up and have a better sense of who you are and what you want, you tend to attract better quality people. Once you are healthier and you are attracting a healthier mate, you suddenly have no need for fantasy, torchbearing, avoiding people you probably had no interest in in the first place and love addiction. They are defense mechanism that no longer work for. You suddenly work for you As for my bottom line, I have since set the bar MUCH higher. I have a distinct set of VALUES that I live by and I really only have close relationships with people who share my same values (i.e. no drugs, no dishonesty, no drama, etc.) I have been in recovery for over two years and my current bf and I will be celebrating our one year anniversary in January. One year, in love with the same man, without any pain, suffering, doubt, drama or weirdness has NEVER IN MY LIFE happened to me. So this is a huge achievement and a very good reason to shoot for recovery! Feel free to visit my blog: currentlyundefined.wordpress.com/Hope this helps.
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Post by Angel on Dec 27, 2009 9:53:52 GMT -8
Dear Telmita,
yes I totally relate to the growing up bit. I am now finally growing up since the divorce and it is hard work and scarey. I just like to hear that there maybe a chance that I will be mature enough to handle my responsiblities including my relationships with my friends, my kids, my partners and hopefully one day maybe a relationship.
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Post by lotus on Dec 27, 2009 11:13:05 GMT -8
I would suggest learning about avoidant personality disorder. That was really helpful for me. I've learned so much from this point of view. The main thing I've learned is to (1) discern who is healthy for me romantically (luckily, my husband) and friendship-wise, (2) recognize when I am trying to subconsciously run away due to fear of rejection, embarrassment, or engulfment, and (3) challenge myself to not run away and let the anxious feelings come and go.
For example, I have discovered that I have a tendency to get antsy after socializing for a couple of hours and I want to go home. So, I challenge myself to stay.
Also, fantasizing and obsessing about people is just a way to avoid intimacy. It is safe for us avoidants. We have to challenge ourselves to find healthy people and let ourselves be vulnerable around them.
I have found with my LA, that people that I get addicted to become very easy to be vulnerable around, but it always turns out that they are not healthy to put my trust in. It seems that I have a hard time being vulnerable around healthy people.
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Post by walkingonwater on Dec 28, 2009 5:41:02 GMT -8
Thanks that helps.
Besatt I found that recently - I was all for making myself vulnerable with someone (far too quickly) who wasn't healthy, at least in that point in time he wasn't healthy. Best stick a warning sign on that one.
Telmita thanks it helps to hear you are in a healthy relationship now - that it is possible - sometimes I wonder.
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Post by winnie on Dec 28, 2009 15:13:54 GMT -8
Hi feeling crazy,
I would say I am an am ambivalent torchbearing loveaddict. I too can't commit but have needed NC with the very unavailable men who were never going to commit with me. I too am now in a healthy relationship.
It has taken an immense amount of work - this is the bottom line. It is a journey with no quick answres. It has menat sititng with some very very uncomfortable feelings ( doing the right thing means sititng with feelings that feel all wrong, just because they are plain alien to our unhealthy patterns). It has definately meant growing up and taking reasponsability for my life and choosing to live ( I echo T). I am achieveing my goals at long last, I was always too afraid and let the pain of my unavailable life =rule, whilse keeping available at arms length for quick fixes.
Addiction of any kind is an avoidance of life and living, its aboiut losing control that we can in fact take back at anytime when we choose to. Its all about you. This is core. You are the amaizng person at the center of the world, only you can make things happen. Its hard, but worth it.
I don't know where you are in recovery but commitment is paramount.
Keep posting !!
best wishes
winnie
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Post by walkingonwater on Dec 29, 2009 7:13:09 GMT -8
Thanks Winnie :-)
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Post by primrose on Jan 20, 2010 13:34:27 GMT -8
Wouldn't call myself recovered, but have come a long way with my avoidance in my marriage. I couldn't listen to my husband really, I zoned out automatically, I just couldn't be present when he started speaking. Obviously not all the time! But it was there. I struggled with seeing my husband as he is, seeing his beauty and seeing what a wonderful man he truly is, I hid how much I cared about him from myself with my avoidance. I think in my marriage I was running from intimacy in overt ways and now run in subtle ways, and recovery is a process of slowly taking down the blocks inside towards more intimacy. How has it happened? I guess just de-toxifying bit by bit from my childhood abuse. Therapy helped, mostly primal therapy because it got me truly in touch with my body, and then the steps in recovery because they are dynamite.
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Post by Woof on Jan 26, 2010 18:22:58 GMT -8
Hi there, I seem to be a confusing mix of LA, torchbearning and ambivalence. I fluctuate from avoiding others and intimacy and desperately needing it and searching for it, and fantasising/obsessing about people (usually after a couple of dates). I have only once had any kind of committed relationship and that only lasted a few months and was not healthy. So I'm not totally sure how relevant all of the advice on this forum is, because I have achieved n/c for most of my life and that is a big problem for me! Somehow I need to learn how to both switch off the attachment hunger and at the same time learn to trust and take things slowly, and to only get involved with healthy people. I'd really appreciate advice for recovery from others who have a more avoidant / ambivalent past and who have recovered and since had healthy relationships. Any books, tips etc? What is your 'bottom lines'? Is n/c relevant? All advice gratefully received. I am so grateful for discovering the definition of being a torchbearer. This cleared up one of the great mysteries of my personal anguish. I carried a torch for a past relationship for 18 years (in my marriage) and thought she was my true love. Only when another relationship came and replaced or transferred the torch did her painful image go away. I mistakenly believed the new person "pulled the thorn from the lions paw which no one in the forest could do!" You can only imagine without insight into this concept why I thought I had found a replacement for my old true love. I ran with this idea for 7 months until I discovered this terminology. I am so glad not to be in the same old pain although I am sure it may resurface from time to time. But now I have a name for it. 
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Post by geedee on Jan 27, 2010 0:25:27 GMT -8
hi Nickyg, why don't you post your story in 'introductions'. we'll be able to welcome you properly from there.  greta
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