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Post by walkingonwater on Jan 12, 2010 10:08:34 GMT -8
Hi
I think before if someone had asked me if I liked myself I'd have said yes, and cited lots of reasons why I did (including usually the stuff I do to make myself feel better about myself, e.g. caring for others etc)
However the past couple of days I've really started to realise that I really don't like myself at all. I think I've got a horrible personality, I expect people not to like me, and I think that I deserve bad treatment. I often am abrasive and aggressive to match that expectation I think.
Does self esteem fluctuate or have I just discovered the real nature of my feelings about myself?
People who know me would probably be really surprised that I feel like this as I present a front of being confident.
Does God love us even when we're being really horrible? Is this stuff for step 4? I'm confused
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Post by Angel on Jan 13, 2010 1:04:46 GMT -8
Dear Walkingonwater,
Yes God loves us when we are at our worst as well as our best. It is usually the parental tapes we carry with us that start to play when we feel we have acted differently to what we would like to do.
Not liking ourselves is CORE to love addiction. Basically we feel we are unlovable. Why do we feel that? Well, for each person it could be slightly different but basically we NEVER LEARNED HOW! To put it in a nutshell. This may be because we were neglected, abused or abandoned as children. We start to build up defenses and these defenses then become feedback about ourselves thus confirming our unlovability.
So we grow up, feel we are unlovable, find someone to love, they reject, abuse or abandon us and we feel more unlovable. Generally speaking we end up in toxic shame and that is where most of us are. Acting out in trying to get validation, getting dumped on (or perceiving it as being dumped on) and then acting out again. Why we come here is to change our behaviour. Gradually as we get used to the more 'sane' behaviour we start to gradually feel better about ourselves and that starts to reinforce a more positive belief about ourselves.
Yes you are correct when you ask if this is Step 4 stuff, actually it is both 4 and 5. When you work this program, which is a spiritual program you do it in order of the steps. I was in Alanon for many years on and off but made no progress until the day I met my sponsor. With her encouragement I started to use all the tools of that program which is very similar to this one. I suggest you find yourself a sponsor and start at the beginning of the Steps if you haven't done so already.
Finally, you are worth something and YOU DESERVE TO BE TREATED WELL!! NOT BADLY!!!
Angel
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Post by walkingonwater on Jan 14, 2010 13:47:35 GMT -8
Thanks Angel, you're an angel!! Ho ho.
Feeling a bit better today.
Totally never learned how to feel loveable, never felt loveable.
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Post by startanew on Jan 15, 2010 0:50:00 GMT -8
I know how you feel. Love the new name, by the way!
I've said it before and I'll say it again, deep down I hate myself. Not even deep down. Even on the surface I hate myself! It's why I am on this board, because I let the PoA confirm that I was every bit as horrible as I was already feeling. He didn't want me? Confirmation of my horribleness and ugliness.
I am doing lots of affirmations and reading 'Healing the Shame That Binds You' every day. We have to reprogram, but it's a tough job. It's going to take a long time to right the wrong thoughts of our whole lifetimes.
I think part of my problem is not having enough people in my life to 'mirror' me positively. Honestly, my friends are not that helpful and my family are at the root of all my problems. I'm very lonely. I'm hoping to eventually find good new friends who are better for me. I think I've let people choose me all my life instead of looking for good, nurturing people who won't harm me even more.
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Post by walkingonwater on Jan 15, 2010 8:32:18 GMT -8
Hey startanew,
You've hit nail on head I think, it is going to take time and I have to be patient.
There's some good testimonies on here from people who have found better friends in recovery, I guess it's a matter of time. :-)
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Post by moonlight on Jan 25, 2010 4:48:23 GMT -8
Hi
Now I'm officially single again, and it has really sunk in, I feel so unattractive. If I look into the mirror, the highest I think is "ok for now". But I feel nobody interesting would be attracted to me. There are so many other women. This is a sad feeling I recognize from all the other times I wasn't in a relationship. When I'm in a relationship, no matter how stuffpy it goes, I feel better about my appearances (and hence attract more men). I feel a bit hopeless.
Love, Moonlight
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Post by shatteredpieces on Jan 25, 2010 5:24:04 GMT -8
Moonlight...I am no expert, but I think this is a time of healing and you need to be kind to yourself and focus on getting better so that the next time you meet someone you will be a whole, complete, healthier version of yourself. I have always been an exercise enthusiast. I have run for years and I love to run. I love the way it makes me feel and the way it makes me look, but in recent weeks, I am dealing with so much pain and torment that it is all I can do to get out of bed and function in the things I HAVE to do. I can't handle anything extra. I know I will...I will get back there and I will love things again, but right now is about healing and doing the best I can. Please dont be hard on yourself. Please dont analyze the you that you are today and judge her. She is beautiful because she is becoming the best she can be. Be kind to yourself.
Shattered
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Post by walkingonwater on Jan 25, 2010 7:38:07 GMT -8
Hey moonlight...
I'm guessing from what you're saying that you are actually attractive! That's cos I started to consider my attractiveness as important when men started being interested, and it was the first time I got positive attention from them. Hooked on being found attractive and that's linked in with my LA I think.
In recent years I've been mainly single and haven't felt attractive unless with someone, and it really makes me down cos it used to be a major part of my self-worth. The other day I got a glimmer of really accepting myself as I am - just a glimmer though. Felt very different to my usual way of being!
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Post by primrose on Jan 25, 2010 9:22:34 GMT -8
Hey all, I have something very good to share about this stuff. Am the first to admit I have a long way to go in my recovery, but... I love myself. Truly. And I feel good about myself. And I really feel good about the way I look. I have done a ton of work on myself for years and I ALWAYS felt bad at core. Nothing but nothing shifted that feeling. Well, doing the steps in slaa has. I have self esteem and actually for the first time in my life I do really understand what self esteem MEANS. I didn't before. And I didn't honestly know what self respect meant or looked like either. Am amazed that the core shame has lifted. Never ever expected that to happen in two years of a programme, but it has. And to have the feeling of core badness lift is an astonishing and wonderful thing. Am so grateful to have had that happen. Yay for recovery  Primrose.
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Post by moonlight on Jan 25, 2010 11:35:05 GMT -8
Thanks so much for your responses!!!!! I have no idea about any of your outside appearances, but it's just impossible that the beauty of your personalities isn't completely shining through!
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