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Post by bringerlight on Aug 12, 2011 2:54:45 GMT -8
For any other torchbearers who may read this later, I thought I'd share with you two techniques I've found to be helpful in dealing with it. I have not solved this problem in my life, but have had some limited success with it. Give up romantic songs and movies: I am convinced that romantic or depressing songs are one component which encourages and perpetuates torchbearing in some people. Most people might not realize the link, but romantic songs (which of course are unreal and present an idealized version of love) encourage a person to construct an unreal dream about love. These songs are well written and appealing, but can also be a trap. Romantic movies are also seductive, but real life is almost never like a romantic movie. Few relationships can be anything like the ones we see in movies. But some people may be deluded into thinking that its possible or even that their relationships could be like that. This may result in them refusing relationships with people because they seem boring, uninspiring, when actually some relationships are just like that. Actually, relationships which are like those in movies (or soap operas) may be overly dramatic and unhealthy. Stories like that also seem interesting when we're experiencing them vicariously, but are actually bloody hell when someone is really living through them. Second idea: do not allow sexual fantasies about the torchbearing PoA. If someone is in torchbearing mode, they are already thinking about their PoA too much. Sexual fantasies increase the magnitude and strength of the attachment to that person. Its unlikely that most people will give up sexual fantasies (unless maybe they are in a relationship, but many torchbearers are not), so in my opinion, its better to fantasize about another person (or series of persons), or an unreal person, to avoid increasing the strength of torchbearing by including the PoA as well in these fantasies. The blind leading the blind, of course! 
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Post by Light on Aug 12, 2011 5:15:40 GMT -8
I think your suggestions are good. I've spent years dreaming over love songs and crying for my poa.........the same for love movies.
You are right when you talk about an unreal person to whom projecting our unreal fantasies and feelings. This is what Susan Peabody calls a phantom lover. (see it in "Torchbearers" forum)
bests
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Post by bringerlight on Aug 15, 2011 7:13:21 GMT -8
Thanks, Light. I realized after I wrote this that I wasn't even following my own advice very well. I seem to prefer romantic or sad songs. I'm a singer/ guitar player myself and most of my repertoire is either romantic or sad. It will take a while to change that as it takes time to learn new songs.
But yesterday I made a new song list of empowering and/ or positive songs, preferably with non-love themes. So I'll try to listen to that group of songs from now on...
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Post by lovely1 on Aug 29, 2011 19:21:31 GMT -8
I agree with you whole heartedly!
With me it's music and books. Even today (after months/years) of sobriety I thought of the POA when I heard the lyrics "there's a light that cannot shine until you come into my life..."
As I said in another thread, this POA could help me professionally, but I won't contact him again for life. We shared so much and I associate much with him. There are books that I read that I wish I could tell him about. They are all love stories. It's not that they spark fantasies in me, rather they inspire a desire for me to tell him about them. The desire to share with him is lessening over the years. Since I can't tell him, I tell someone else or I post a book review on Amazon. At times posting on Amazon is similiar to writing an email to him. All of the elements are still there. I read the book, enjoy it then write aobut it. The major differnece is I don't have to worry about being rejected once I send the review to Amazon! Sending emails to him was this wrenching process of spending an hour writing, then sending then waiting on pins and needles for a response that many times never came.
NO THANK YOU!!! I'll never go through that again.
Now with movies I can watch a romantic movie and not superimpose my life onto the plot of the film. Movies rarely remind me of my own life, and rarely inspire me to think about contacting him, so I'm safe there.
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Post by ariesgirl143 on Oct 4, 2011 9:15:32 GMT -8
Wow this was definitely helpful. I do the movie thing ALL the time. Recently I've tried to watch more comedies- laughter is a healer  Thanks for the post!
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Post by happyberry on Oct 4, 2011 9:42:46 GMT -8
great post. I know people who include no romantic movies or TV as part of their bottom lines. It really does help!
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Post by Jacarandagirl on Oct 4, 2011 13:25:37 GMT -8
I used to go to some romantic movies with my teenage daughter and we would consciously get our "fix" there. I called it female porn. We would laugh afterwards about whether it was high quality or not. Which moments were the best. At least we could laugh at the dream of finding our Mr Darcy, even if we were not free of it.
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Post by Healing Ku'uipo on Oct 4, 2011 13:53:54 GMT -8
It really bothers and triggers me to watch movies with relationship Intensity and women getting swept away in a romantic liason. Its hard for me to unwind from seeing that.
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Post by reachhigher on Apr 11, 2013 3:19:25 GMT -8
The love songs have become an ancillary addiction for me or at least a prop that reinforces my notion of this perfect love. I love singing along in the car and at home (not so much movies -- ironically I always say I don't like the commitment -- I don't own a television. I have also recently thought that I needed to avoid this tool. I have enjoyed its cathartic result but, yes, it does create anxiety. I suppose that in early recovery this too should be avoided -- like going into a bar -- but I want to be healthy enough to return to and enjoy my song-loving pleasure. Currently, I have Pandora tuned to comedy.
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Post by Susan Peabody on Apr 11, 2013 11:42:10 GMT -8
Somewhere on this board is a thread about songs. Yesterday, at the dentist, I heard that old classic.
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Post by madysen14 on Mar 24, 2015 18:40:06 GMT -8
Thank you for the tips. I actually have been practicing the second one for a few weeks now and it does seem to help some. Although throughout the day, anything can trigger me to have flashbacks of intimacy with my PoA, I found that this method sort of interrupts your normal loop of thought.
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Post by ~w~ on Mar 25, 2015 3:02:01 GMT -8
It was part of my life too, books and songs. Now am stuck with recovery books.
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Post by Babysteps on Mar 26, 2015 3:49:55 GMT -8
Romantic movies were my quick fix. Sitting there with a naive grin on my face at the happy ending, all that suffering leading to the perfect union...girl is saved by the man and everything is right with the world.
Since I had my LA epiphany at the end of last year I have tried to avoid these kinds of movies. It is funny how hard it is! I really miss the struggle of watching a love affair unfold followed by the happy ending. The war and action movies just don't give me the same warm glow!!! But for me it is an essential part of my recovery.
That said, I haven't been able to avoid them all together and on occasions have had to sit through them. But If this is the case and if I find my mind wandering or this naive grin come onto my face, I remind myself what rubbish it is and that life doesnt have a happy Hollywood ending. It does work and I hope over time these thoughts will come naturally to me.
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Post by ~w~ on Mar 27, 2015 22:35:18 GMT -8
I was addicted to romantic novels with happy ending , and moves. I still listen to the songs but I do not believe what they say. I went to the move 50 shades of Grey and it was valentines day , I haven't read the book I just did not enjoy . Move wasn't that good because I realise it's the same as everywhere, fake not real . So just spend time but wasn't impressed at all.
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Post by fleur on Dec 17, 2015 22:00:16 GMT -8
Right after I joined SLAA, it was amazing to suddenly be able to notice just how strongly certain songs activated my nostalgia for an idealized version of a relationship with the person for whom i've most recently had a torch glued to my palm. It helped me so much to be able to objectify my experience a bit in that way—to understand that the songs, which are meant to move us in these ways, were only activating the fantasy for me, and i could just change the tune!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2015 7:51:17 GMT -8
I'm avoiding romantic songs, books and movies ... I'd rather watch a horror it's less scary lol. Seriously though I find them huge triggers for me even romantic couples I see out and about I avert my eyes from at the moment.
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Post by leahb on Dec 19, 2015 7:56:29 GMT -8
Me too!
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Post by Susan Peabody on Dec 19, 2015 10:33:27 GMT -8
I'm avoiding romantic songs ... Rather than ignore them, I sang them to God to strengthen my relationship with him/her. At first I thought the idea was unique, but I soon realized that this is what hymns are. YouTube
Amazing Grace
Amazing grace! How sweet the sound That saved [someone] like me! I once was lost, but now am found; Was blind, but now I see. ’Twas grace that taught my heart to fear, And grace my fears relieved; How precious did that grace appear The hour I first believed. [2nd step] Through many dangers, toils and snares, I have already come; [1st step] ’Tis grace hath brought me safe thus far, And grace will lead me home. [3rd step] The Lord has promised good to me, His Word my hope secures; He will my Shield and Portion be, As long as life endures. Yea, when this flesh and heart shall fail, And mortal life shall cease, I shall possess, within the veil, A life of joy and peace. The earth shall soon dissolve like snow, The sun forbear to shine; But God, who called me here below, Will be forever mine. When we’ve been there ten thousand years, Bright shining as the sun, We’ve no less days to sing God’s praise [12th step] Than when we’d first begun.

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