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Post by runrunrun on Aug 17, 2011 17:18:29 GMT -8
Ugh. I am so done with this stuff. One more last minute cancellation from my friend. This makes nearly every time. I removed her from facebook and am going to start no contact. I am just so done with this. I asked her if she wanted to paddle this week. We set up thur am. I asked her if she minded if a few other ladies in club joined us. I was picky about who I asked. And only asked 2 other mellow ladies. And picked a spot my friend would like as she doesnt like fast moving water. Agreed to provide a boat for her. Turned down another friend who wanted to borrow my spare boat. Only for this friend to cancel last minute.
Thats it. Granted I am acting on emotions. But I am so done with this. This has been going on for years. I am sure she will ask what happened but I will gladly tell her that I only want reliable friends. Or even semi reliable friends. Not totally unreliable ones.
ugh ugh ugh.
Peeling off the layers of codependence. Not accepting sstuffs anymore. I dont care if I am down to 2 good friends. 1 good one is worth a whole lot more than 10 unreliable ones.
RRR
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Post by overcomer on Aug 17, 2011 17:41:38 GMT -8
I think you are making the right decision. Yes enough is enough! In my case, it's POA's statements that kept changing drastically!  For example, she said I'm her BFF(Best Friend Forever) and wants me in her life forever and ever. Then she asked me to leave her alone. She said "don't forget me" especially while I'm traveling. Then she asked me what do I want from her and to forget her. She would confide w/ me then she would get mad when I talked about the same subject. And recently, after greeting me she suddenly said the meanest words ever! So on and so forth! She's excessively unreliable! So RRR good that you are doing NC now w/ your another *consistently* UNreliable friend!  Thanks for sharing and sorry that I couldn't help but to share in your post too.
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Post by nvr2late on Aug 17, 2011 19:04:38 GMT -8
Good for you!! I agree about one good friend.
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Post by runrunrun on Aug 17, 2011 19:16:31 GMT -8
LetGod. I am glad you shared. I am trying to figure out this friend thing. In the last few months I let go of one emotionally unavailable unreliable friend. distanced myself from a sex addict friend. And now let go of another unreliable friend. I wonder if I am going to have any left. But as I posted above. I would rather have one good friend than 10 unreliable ones.
You figured out what your line is for unacceptable behavior from friends. I am trying to figure out mine. I know there is a word that describes people that go back and forth like your friend. But I am too tired to think of it.
I guess I will just rest on it for now and ask my higher power for help. The thing is I felt like my higher power was behind my plans with her. LIke I had this inner voice saying 'be nice to P. Take her paddling and give her another chance'.
RRR
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Post by Jacarandagirl on Aug 18, 2011 2:52:44 GMT -8
Hey RRR, I think that voice was your HP and the reason for it saying that to you was so that you could go through it all one more time and see that she's going to keep doing this to you until you really get that you want more from your friendship than she can give you. You have some standards that are there to protect you. Who knows, maybe they'll change in the future and you won't feel so messed around by that kind of unreliabilty in the future. One day you might be able to just let go and it's real for you. But not right now.
I just thought about a girlfriend today that I posted about a while back. She was too much for me and I stopped seeing her. She took the hint and we've had weeks and weeks of no conversations. I felt sad about not being able to see her, and I wondered if I could again, and really felt like I wanted to. And then tonight on FB she messaged me, so I'm going to hang out with her again soon. Why not? Now I know what to look out for and maybe we've both changed. I'm going to give it a shot.
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Post by overcomer on Aug 18, 2011 7:20:59 GMT -8
Thank you RRR! Bec sharing is another thing hard to deal w/ my POA. Whenever she shares I would listen gladly but when it's my turn to talk about the same subject she would shuts me off. I think compared to my former best friend your friend is not as extreme... Is it only in that one aspect she's quite unreliable? Unless it gets to your nerves or hitting your boundary then maybe it can be workout? Have you talked about it w/ her? Can you just limit meeting up w/ her? Bec if you suddenly cut your contact is it not a form of silent treatment? I'm just asking but you know much better what is acceptable and what is not for you. I'm doing NC bec POA/ex-best friend is doing MANY THINGS to me > ignoring me for so long, accusing me, rejecting me regularly, putting me down, giving me constant silent treatment, verbal abuse, one minute warm and extra-cold and mean the rest of the time, etc. God is also telling me to CONTINUE treating her lovingly unconditionally. So I know what you mean. PS; I used to treasure friendship so much and I'm blessed that so far only w/ that POA it did not workout well and only after we have had almost 5yrs of great friendship. But RRR I have learned also that as you said quality counts more than quantity. And we can always have new good friends! In whichever case we don't have to settle w/ sstuffs or crumbs. 
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Post by Bo on Aug 18, 2011 12:17:46 GMT -8
I had a few flaky, wishy-washy unreliable friends too and they have just kinda fell out of my life. As a matter of fact, many of the "friends" I met when I first arrived here are no longer my "friends" now. I will still say "Bonjour" and be nice if we cross paths, but it seems like as I am growing more towards my Recovery Goals, the distance between old dysfunctional friends is just greater, since I have found my authentic path.
Like fresh water being poured into a bucket of dirty water, my old friends are being displaced (still around me, just not in my bucket) with new ones that are on the same frequency as my recovery. Big example: my closest friend last year got high every single night (I laughed with her) My closest friend this year, does yoga and meditates every single day! (we set goals together)
Thanks for sharing your experience.
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Post by runrunrun on Aug 18, 2011 13:07:10 GMT -8
Jacara, I have to agree with you and have considered that possibility. That could be it. What this all does tell me is that I have given her many chances for many years. So the writing is on the wall and she has shown me who she is. So I cannot expect anything more. Which I was and wrong in doing.
No I wont simply ignore her. We are both in the same run club and I will be pleasant with her. I just wont ask her to do anything anymore. If she asks why then I will gladly explain in the most diplomatic way I can. But she has not been on a regular communication with me so if I just disappear then no questions will be asked. I actually went all winter without talking to her as she did the same last minute cancellation thing with me so I just kind of disappeared. Only to try again this summer. Oh well. It is possible for people to change. So maybe your friend has. But you know what to look for at least.
NC, your friend sounds like she has many issues. Issues that you dont want in your life. I could hardly blame ya. The way she cuts you off when you talk sounds narcissistic to me. Yeah hold out for the healthy ones.
Bo, I love your analogy. Fresh water. I hope I can fill my bucket with fresh water too. YEs its interesting how recovery works in our day to day lives.
RRR
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Post by darkangels3251 on Aug 18, 2011 15:04:57 GMT -8
Sometimes its not the quanitity of friends, it is the quality...your situation sounds just like my sister's...she went through a break up with her old time friends because they weren't reliable or genuine...and I had to agree 100%. Real friends aren't the debby downers and the last minute "put-offs," but the friends who really value your time and your friendship with them. I think with your personality, you deserve friends who are in the same page with you...in other words, you deserve better 
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Post by overcomer on Aug 18, 2011 16:00:07 GMT -8
Thank you RRR for confirming what I thought so too. So after reading your comment I went to search for "Narcissist friend" and to my surprise it more or less matches my POA as you've said! "People who once were friends of the narcissist and all of a sudden one day found their guts hanging out in a narc attack, to be left wondering forever afterwards what they did to make the narcissist so mad that he or she ripped them to shreds and refused to see or have any contact with them anymore."
What I don't understand yet is HOW a previously good friend can end up becoming like that of a Narcissist? Is your friend reliable before or she's been like that from the very start?
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Post by Loving My Life on Aug 18, 2011 16:39:38 GMT -8
Everyones comments on friends are right, when I stood up for myself, and ask my recovery friends yesterday to plz to asking me for money, that is the only time she talks to me, now she is mad with me, when i saw her at a meeting tonight she would not even speak too me. oh well, not the kind of friend i need....when someone leaves your life, GOD will put 5 more people in your life. It bothers me but Im not going to be a doormat anymore, plus the kicker she never pays me back anyway. whats up with her ego?
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Post by sillypoppet on Aug 18, 2011 22:01:57 GMT -8
I've been going through the same thing too...
I lost a couple of friends because I didn't think their behavior was acceptable. In all reality, they weren't really friends. Friendship is a two way street- which means that you have to nurture each other. Flaking out, being disrespectful, and being inconsiderate is not nurturing.
Most recently I have been learning not to internalize other people's issues. I still get so angry when a friend is disrespectful or unappreciative of me. My birthday is next week, and I'm having a party this weekend (dinner and dancing). I haven't had a real party since I was a kid because I'm so shy.
One of my BFF's is flaking out after dinner to go dancing with her other friend. At first the excuse was that she had a date, then it was because it was her other friend's birthday. I told her to bring whomever with her- she said no. I was mad because I invited her to my party 2 weeks ago. She didn't want to commit because she always goes salsa dancing on that night. I have a pretty good idea that she just didn't want to give up her salsa dancing night to come hang out.
She's not a bad person, but she is very self absorbed. I know she is a very unreliable and unstable person. She will still be in my life, but she has taught me who she is. There are other people out there who do genuinely want to be my friend.
I wanted to share that story because I think a lot of people here can relate. It's hard to let go of a friendship, especially when you go way back. Someone else's bad behavior is their problem, not yours.
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Post by runrunrun on Aug 19, 2011 4:45:36 GMT -8
Its interesting how recovery helps us see these things in our friends. Its like now we can get an idea of what we have been putting up with.
caro, yep the friend that only asks for money is no friend at all. Our friends really do show us who they are. Its up to us to decide if we want that kind of person in our lives. I had a friend who only called when she needed a baby sitter.
NC, I dont think there is anything anyone can do with a narcissist except recognize their behavior and either accept it or not. They rarely seek help. No this friend has been this way all along. I just looked the other way.
Silly, I agree that your friend is showing you who she is. My suggestion is to keep her at arms length. Dont plan anything with her much in advance as you might have to pass up on other opportunities only for her to cancel last minute and just be aware.
RRR
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Post by runrunrun on Aug 19, 2011 4:47:10 GMT -8
Oh and speaking of friends, I think my sex addict friend who I was keeping at distance finally got the message and now keeps his distance on his own. I think he finally realized I wasnt going to do the push pull thing or be his standby for when his 'pseudo girlfriend' wasnt available.
RRR
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Post by veronica on Aug 19, 2011 22:01:16 GMT -8
Ugh, I'm going through this too. One after the other, and it so hard to know what is my health or my own potential narcissism. 'Rip them to shreds' is a familiar impulse when I feel like someone has wronged me and a key part of my recovery temperature.
I am very curious though how I rate as a friend. It would be interesting to do a friendship inventory. Anyone know of a good checklist or resource?
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Post by runrunrun on Aug 20, 2011 3:46:16 GMT -8
I dont know of a checklist. I could sure use one. As in the past I put up with crumbs for a long time. I think we should make a list of what we want personally in a friendship. Such as do you want a friend who calls on a daily/weekly/monthly basis? Or do you not care how often they keep in touch. And what type of behavior do you expect? What is over the line and not acceptable?
For me I dont care really how often they keep in touch. But I want a reliable friend. I wont get angry with the occasional cancellation of plans. But when it becomes a trend then I give up. I want someone who is there for me on an equal basis as I am there for them. I had a friend who would call up and I would have to set aside an hour minimum just to listen to her talk about her concerns but she had no time to listen to what I had to say.
Veronica, I think you brought up a good point. Can you add to this.
RRR
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