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Post by nvr2late on Oct 26, 2011 6:21:54 GMT -8
I found this today, and since I related to more of them than not, I thought it might be helpful to others. I hope this is ok to post: 1. Frequently mistaking intense sexual experiences or romantic infatuation for love 2. Constantly searching for romance and love 3. Using sex as a means to find or hold onto love 4. Falling in love with people met superficially or solely online 5. Problems maintaining intimate relationships once the initial newness and excitement has worn off 6. Consistent unhappiness, desire to hook-up or anxiety when alone 7. Consistently choosing abusive or emotionally unavailable partners 8. Giving emotionally, financially or otherwise to partners who require a great deal of care-taking but do not or can not reciprocate what they are given 9. When in a long-term relationship most often feeling detached, judgmental or unhappy, when out of a relationship, feeling desperate and alone 10. Making decisions about what to wear, how to look, what to say etc., based on how others might perceive you, rather than on self-awareness, comfort and creativity. 11. Using sex, money, seduction, drama or other schemes to “hook” or hold onto a partner 12. Missing out on important family, career, recreational or social experiences in order to find, create or maintain a romantic relationship 13. Giving up - by avoiding sex or relationships for long periods of time to “solve the problem” 14. Being unable to leave unhealthy or abusive relationships despite repeated promises to self or others 15. Returning to previously unmanageable or painful relationships despite promises to self or others not to do so blogs.psychcentral.com/sex/2011/08/understanding-love-and-romance-addiction-part-two/
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Post by margot on Oct 27, 2011 17:38:25 GMT -8
Yes, I can relate to many of them..........most. I don't want to be like this.........but I am. Hope I can change.........or at least cope better and be aware when I'm acting out.
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Post by crystalv on Dec 18, 2011 4:03:28 GMT -8
Wow I relate to most of that. Thanks for putting that up. UGH how do the steps change my perspective on love? It works with alcohol but I don't have to drink alcohol. Food, people, love seem so hard because we have to do these things. Wtf why are we so effed up in the mind!! Or I guess it's a soul disease....
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Post by wahinewha on Mar 26, 2012 3:14:19 GMT -8
Being unable to leave unhealthy or abusive relationships despite repeated promises to self or others - this is my biggest challenge on one I am confronting right now. Day 3 of NC, wow I'm doing it. Don't want to live this path anymore, my POA once said "no matter how much I push her away, she still keeps coming back!" Well no more, I'm not coming back. Be with me Lord and hold my hand tight, I am sceared.
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Post by Jacarandagirl on Mar 26, 2012 3:20:55 GMT -8
It's a daunting journey but SO WORTHWHILE. Welcome to the start of you making you a priority. May you always find your way back to here. Love this list by the way.
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Post by lilila on Mar 26, 2012 4:18:25 GMT -8
I relate to almost every single one! How terrible...
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Post by Havefaith on Mar 26, 2012 4:20:23 GMT -8
wahinewha -- Surround yourself with healthy people and community, and the fear will subside. I promise.
HaveFaith
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Post by hopeful2012 on Mar 26, 2012 5:43:38 GMT -8
Wow. I related to too many of those. Stepping out of myself and just looking at this objectively, I see how sick this disease is. Thank you for sharing this list. Daunting yes, but I don't want to look at this list in five years and be worse off. I want to look at it and say yes, I got better and my life is better.
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Post by overcomer on Mar 26, 2012 8:57:13 GMT -8
Thanks for that post. However there are some points that I'm honestly not in agreement with such as:
"4.Falling in love with people met superficially or solely online."
-I have relatives and friends who have met solely online, chatted for a year or more, and then got married after meeting only for few times. They remain happily and healthily married up to this day.
"10. Making decisions about what to wear, how to look, what to say etc., based on how others might perceive you, rather than on self-awareness, comfort and creativity."
-I'm very independent who doesn't care of what others may think. But there are times we have to take into consideration also what our love ones have to say. After all we don't know every best thing in the world for us. Some feedback or perception from others can be helpful too.
"15. Returning to previously unmanageable or painful relationships despite promises to self or others not to do so."
- In my faith, we believe in "2nd chances". Our God is the God of "2nd chances". If there is *genuine* repentance and resolution between the persons involve, God can restore even the most broken relationship(s). Bec the God I believe is the God of restoration too.
I have a degree in medical science and I have relatives, friends, and clients who are Psychologists, Psychiatrists. I respect them a lot. However, they are not perfect nor are their findings. They are not "absolutes". I still think the CREATOR WHO created them is the ONE WHO IS THE ONLY TRULY ABSOLUTE.
I'm sorry if this reply is unwanted here. But this is just MY HONEST REPLY.
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Post by bklynrn on Mar 26, 2012 9:53:47 GMT -8
Hi Spirit-filled, It's just a list of some charactersitics and behaviors. Some of us will express and relate to some but not all. I guess you found the few that don't pertain to you
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Post by overcomer on Mar 26, 2012 10:26:32 GMT -8
Hi Spirit-filled, It's just a list of some charactersitics and behaviors. Some of us will express and relate to some but not all. I guess you found the few that don't pertain to you You are right. Thanks. No offense meant but if I may say... I'm also sick and tired of categorizing people only as either "addict" OR "healthy". Almost every single thing is being heavily scrutinized as if we can perfectly detect everything precisely on our own. I mean there's more to life and to what's really going on in the vast Universe than this. And we are all a work in progress. There are people who may just be naturally processing a loss but it does not necessarily mean he/she is an addict just bec he/she is not showing what others call as "healthy traits" for the time being. Plus there's always hope for those who believe they can receive healing. Not bec they sucked or messed up before they should not be given "2nd chances" anymore even if they've shown genuine repentance and recovery? I mean, c'mon. If we are all given ONE CHANCE ONLY, *no one* will ever succeed in life or relationship. I'm not referring to my personal experience only but in general. Again, I'm only expressing my opinion with no intention to argue or offend anyone.
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Post by Loving My Life on Mar 26, 2012 13:29:28 GMT -8
spirit-filled, everyone is at different levels in there "recovery", and if they dont want to be called a addict, well they will make the best decision for themselves. Also everyone does not believe in GOD, so it is for each individual to chose who there HP is. Just take what you need and leave the rest. We only offer our experience, strength, and hope to others. No one is better than anyone else, no one is perfect. Just try and remember where you started from. And yes I believe in GOD, but I dont push it own anyone, if someone ask i will offer advise.
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Post by bklynrn on Mar 26, 2012 13:39:01 GMT -8
I'm certainly not taking offense...what are you feeling though? I hear what you're saying and felt the same frustration too. NOT every single thing we do or think in life is the addict's mind in operation. Keep in mind--Only YOU can judge you and your behaviors and only you can decide if you will succeed in life and relationships.
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Post by Jacarandagirl on Mar 26, 2012 13:49:58 GMT -8
I also don't believe in absolutes (even though I often use the words always, never, finally, absolutely, definitely , and I find the list very insightful, but probably not intended to be an absolute definition in all cases. Personally, I'm up to the point where I celebrate finding out I was addicted. I always knew something was going on but it was hidden to me. I'm so far down the track now that the shame I felt is being replaced by so much happiness it's hard to keep hiding what I've discovered about myself with other people who don't understand. Other "normal" people don't get this kind of addiction, and they think I'm being overly dramatic. They believe that only substance addiction is dangerous. I totally understand, 'cos that's what I thought too. There is a thing with this love addiciton though, that we will use ANY EXCUSE we can get our hands on to justify going back to a PoA who we know is bad for us. I count myself among those people, I just do it in my head, but it has an effect. The habit is incredibly strong, it's a path so well trodden that it happens in a blink of an eye. So while some people may be able to give an ex a second chance and it's OK, I'd say it rarely applies to a LA. Because that is the whole issue right there. We give a million second chances, that is the addiction.
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Post by Loving My Life on Mar 26, 2012 14:11:06 GMT -8
For myself, i know today that i was a alcohol, but i just realize this 6 months ago, after being sober since July of 09. And I also know I was addicted to my poa, I love the way he made me feel, and no one ever made me feel the way he did. I also know alot of times iam to quick to forgive people, and sometimes it causes me to be used. We only have to forgive in our hearts and too our HP, and leave the rest to our HP. And I was rejoicing today as well thinking about how good I felt once again, since my poa is not pinging me, it nice not dealing with his broken promises, and treating me like trash. Yes i miss him, but not his behavior..i will always love this man. and if he could be the man that iam looking for, i would probably be with him, but i dont dwell on that, that is between him and his HP. But we have to remember where we have been, so we dont repeat the same mistakes. It is good to reflect back, and too also hear over and over again all of these things, so we dont become complacent. we cant rest on our laurels, or it will sneak up and bite you on your b*tt. ;-)
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Post by overcomer on Mar 26, 2012 17:47:26 GMT -8
I also don't believe in absolutes (even though I often use the words always, never, finally, absolutely, definitely , and I find the list very insightful, but probably not intended to be an absolute definition in all cases. Personally, I'm up to the point where I celebrate finding out I was addicted. I always knew something was going on but it was hidden to me. I'm so far down the track now that the shame I felt is being replaced by so much happiness it's hard to keep hiding what I've discovered about myself with other people who don't understand. Other "normal" people don't get this kind of addiction, and they think I'm being overly dramatic. They believe that only substance addiction is dangerous. I totally understand, 'cos that's what I thought too. There is a thing with this love addiciton though, that we will use ANY EXCUSE we can get our hands on to justify going back to a PoA who we know is bad for us. I count myself among those people, I just do it in my head, but it has an effect. The habit is incredibly strong, it's a path so well trodden that it happens in a blink of an eye. So while some people may be able to give an ex a second chance and it's OK, I'd say it rarely applies to a LA. Because that is the whole issue right there. We give a million second chances, that is the addiction. Well-said. If we use it as an "excuse" it's nothing but *self-defeating*. I hope we learn from our guided experiences and know the difference between truthful restoration of a relationship and false judgement caused by addiction only. There is a saying that goes something like this, "It's okay to visit your past, just don't bring an overnight bag with you."
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Post by theophila on May 21, 2012 0:15:57 GMT -8
Wow, I sort of just stumped upon this thread. I echo a lot of Overcomer's (Spirit-filled's) thoughts. I do think that the western world discards people in a way. Even if we did relate badly to our partner, that doesn't mean people can't be transformed. I absolutely believe in transformation, and I think it's spiritual, and I think it's supernatural, too! I think this because I've experienced it myself. Who I am has changed. I used to be so dependent on my husband, and so needy. It wasn't a healthy relationship. I also had a lot of anger. When my husband left me my world fell apart. I knew myself too well and I didn't date for a couple years (while hoping my marriage would get restored). Then I dated a string of guys who devalued me and really didn't cherish me, etc. It was very painful. Somehow through that, in everything I went through, God changed me. I'm mug more self aware of my needs, how I might get triggered, when I am not ok with something, and I am much better sayin no, setting boundaries. I've learned how to "hear" myself. I also still believe in marriage restoration. I don't think it matters why marriages fail. I think there's hope and there's no reason people should be limited to what is possible.
Part of addiction is control. We really can't controll our world at all. What would happen if we learned how to live in the world without needing to control it? How would we be different, and by default, our relationships? I'm not the same person I was several years ago. I've met up with friends who I haven't seen in years, and they comment on things I am not even consciously aware of... Such as, that I listen. You can talk and talk to me now, and I enter in, and listen. I don't try to control the situation. Somehow I've learned to just be present.
A constructed term for something such as Love Addict is just a constructed term... It's descriptive. It's not prescriptive. The possibilities are endless. It's not like a prescription for life that you're stuck to. No one has to be a love addict for life if they don't want to. There are things a person can commit to to work through this to get to the other side. One of the things I did was commit to learning how to make real, meaningful friends who could meet my needs. Did I get screwed over a good number of times? Yes. But I needed to learn how to develop those kind of meaningful relationships in order to get my needs met, and that involves taking risks to learn who I can trust, how I can tell, what signs to look for to identify safe people, and those who are less safe. I also practice letting go, all the time, and accepting myself, all the time. My life is not what I thought it would be. In the past I would have judged myself to pieces. Now it's merely that I had hoped to be further along, but I am working towards my goals (in school) and I am being faithful as a steward with my opportunities, and I can accept that life is hard (which I couldn't before).
A bit of a ramble, sorry about that... I do understand the frustration of categories that seem too rigid, but them they are only descriptive...
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Post by Loveanimals on May 21, 2012 7:14:27 GMT -8
I definitely fit 1-7.
To overcomer's point, just like some people can drink moderately without being an alcoholic, some can diet without developing an eating disorder.....some people can meet online etc. yet their lives do not become unmanageable. I think that is the key differentiator.
For me my whole life started revolving around the texts I received from guys, how I looked, getting a personal trainer to make me in better shape, etc. to the point where the housework was neglected, work was neglected, etc. made me feel stressed and out of control.
Since I stopped communication with other men (it's only been a week) I already have less chaos and stress in my life.
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Post by virgoluv on Jun 22, 2012 22:02:24 GMT -8
some of those things are alot like me i feel sad but im on the road to recovery.
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