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Post by lilila on Feb 24, 2012 9:49:54 GMT -8
Hi, I´m new here and I´m figuring I´m the Obsessed type love addict, slowly becoming aware of all the things I´ve done in the past that have been damaging to me. I´ve lost so much time obsessing about men! Even got to think there was something inherently wrong with me that I was unable to just relax and enjoy a healthy relationship.
This new awareness - I just learned about LA about a week ago - is making me feel unexpectedly at peace, for now. But I feel I still have a long way to go.
Anyway, last night I watched Bonnie and Clyde, in the hope of finding some distraction, but I could only think that Bonnie was a complete love addict! I could really relate to her, how she desperately wants to escape her boring life and gets involved with someone who can´t love her (he´s impotent) and brings her to complete destruction. It made me really sad. And now I´m thinking most films and songs sort of glorify the anguish we love addicts experience. There´s not much of a positive example of what a healthy relationship should look like in novels, films and the like.
Also, I feel with all the media focusing on sex it´s very hard not to feel like an outcast when you´re not in a sexual relationship, even if it´s a bad one. It´s like you´re not healthy and any sexual involvement is better than nothing. While for me, I find it hard to enjoy myself if I don´t trust the person completely, aka if it´s not in the context of a commmited relationship.
How do you all deal with all these messages we receive daily? I´m sort of trying to avoid reading and watching anything related to romance, it makes me unhappy and insecure, but I guess there must be a better way other than looking away.
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Post by tonydrake on Feb 24, 2012 13:50:44 GMT -8
My mind can tell me that sci-fi and action movies are fantasy -- I don't think that the plot could ever happen. But the romantic plots? Why then do I think those could happen like that in reality? It is the genre, but it's maybe it's also that there aren't any special effects in romantic movies? or maybe all the "special effects" are in my own heart.....
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Post by LovelyJune on Feb 25, 2012 4:26:30 GMT -8
This is a very good point you bring up, and there has been discussion on this before. In the early days of recovery, I went through a real purging of all romance movies, songs, and holidays that glamorized the "pain" of love or any kind of unrequited or torchbearing kind of love. I would not watch them or take part in them. Being an English Lit major didn't help! But i was able to eventually put these stories into perspective. I even recall my mother telling me that she grew up with Cinderella and Snow White. She truly believed Prince Charming would come and whisk her away. And who doesn't want to believe in that? I think that is quite common and includes the full spectrum of healthy and addicted women. Hollywood does NOT teach us to love. It tells a story. Period. And stories are all fantasy (even the "based on a true story" ones. We need to look around at real life partners to gain our sense of what is right and wrong. Paisley makes some great points. When you are further along in recovery you can see past the fantasy. Remember too, that we are emotional creatures, and our longing for love triggers in us a deeper wish that these kinds of film could be real. When we grow up a little and start using our logical mind more than our emotions, we can finally see the "truth." You can also read Edward and Bella Love Addicts here thelovelyaddict.com/2010/07/14/edward-and-bella-love-addicts/
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Post by foolmetwice on Feb 25, 2012 18:53:31 GMT -8
thankyou LJ, here is the last part of the Edward and Bella piece you wrote: " when we have nothing, or rather, when we think we have nothing, we look outside ourselves for answers. We look for an identity because we don’t believe we have one within us. And in our desire to save someone, we are merely hiding our true desire to be saved ourselves, to forget our problems, our responsibilities and to avoid growing up. Life is tough. Love is our defense mechanism." ......So, if my true desire is to be saved, by remembering my problems and my responsibilities, I can grow up. sounds easy! Why have I waited this long?
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Post by LovelyJune on Feb 26, 2012 3:56:09 GMT -8
I probably waited just as long as you, if not longer! Who knows why we don't get it. But luckily, it can be LEARNED!
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Post by looking4direction on Mar 11, 2012 0:39:42 GMT -8
I think if Hollywood tried to make movies about healthy love, they probably would not sell.
Drama sells.
Just my thought.
Carol
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Post by ehobbs on May 1, 2012 14:23:23 GMT -8
totally relate to this - just getting out of obsessive LA relationship - radio and movies killing me. whitney houston - also difficult. plus any music i listened to with my LA which was country. going to switch to top 40 or npr talk radio. heck even dateline or 2020 have unhealthy messaging. many stories are about obsessive love. i dont even want my remote to go the lifetime movie network.
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Post by lilila on May 1, 2012 18:38:19 GMT -8
So this is what I´ve come up with to deal with it: I´m only listening to classical music on the radio (mostly in my car), which is soothing. As for films, I´ll only watch action movies/ westerns/thrillers. The things I previously considered to be "male" films, lol. I haven´t watched TV in years so there´s no danger in that. For reading, I´m sticking to mysteries and anything that isn´t too emotional, like books by Ruth Rendell. I also joined the choir at a local church, this somehow helps me feel in touch with my HP and it´s refreshing to learn songs that are spiritual and not romantic.
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Post by Jacarandagirl on May 2, 2012 3:26:09 GMT -8
I was majorly triggered a while back by my PoA's music that he gave me. I was fooling myself that I could handle listening to it, but I never know when one of the songs will throw me into a spin. It did, and I haven't listened to any of it since. Now I'm just not even tempted, it can wait until I'm really bored and wanting to see if I can get upset by it again! Even that's not a really good reason to go into it all again.
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Post by goldberry on Feb 4, 2013 19:24:53 GMT -8
Nice article about Twilight! The books reminded me of the kind of thoughts I had in high school. I felt common, and I was constantly dreaming of some "magical" guy who would make me feel special. Read any kind of Harry Potter fan fiction, and it's all about the girl being special and getting attention from some character in the films.
When I was in the 6th grade, I was triggered by Star Wars. Luke Skywaker was miserable on Tatooine, but Obi Wan Kenobi showed up and saved him. I had it in my mind that some guy was, sooner or later, going to show up and save me.
I have to be careful about the movies I watch. In the last Harry Potter movie, Snape is definitely an obsessed love addict, anguishing over his lost love like Heathcliff in "Wuthering Heights." That whole Snape/ Lily scene in the movie triggered me and I spent a year struggling with an obsessive crush on the character.
I had to force myself to stop watching the movie "Sense and Sensibility," with the character Colonel Brandon.
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Post by Susan Peabody on Feb 5, 2013 14:44:24 GMT -8
I stopped reading romantic books. I stopped watching romantic movies until well into recovery. I created boundaries and could tell the difference between the fantasy and reality I started singing all those love songs to God and listened to gospel. In my book I talk about the media as a "contributing factor" with love addiction. I see this song in a new light . . . "If you can't be with the one you love; love the one you are with." I totally erase from my mind the song, "You are nobody until somebody loves me."
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Post by LovelyJune on Feb 6, 2013 2:30:29 GMT -8
Be careful too about combining your ideal fantasy partner and who would REALISTICALLY be a good match for you. I did this for years and it caused me to go after the wrong type of person. I didn't realize that my notion of what was sexy and attractive was immature and not in line with the woman I had become. I was a very simple woman, a family woman. My strongest values were my connection with my loving family, happiness, being hard working, and enjoying suburban life. Heck, I drove a minivan and had two young kids. I couldn't be out dating a rockstar when I lived this type of life. All my previous partners were grungy and hot, but they saw very little value in work, family, suburbs, kids and so on. This is a big part of the reason we tend to go after and choose the wrong partner-because we are still hanging on to our childhood ideal of what is perfect for us. Mine was Captain Kirk! And then it was the Johnny Depp bad boy, and the hot drummer from Kings of Leon! And even after 5 solid year of recovery that fantasy guy sticks with you! Case in point: D and I went to the lumber yard yesterday to buy a piece of old barn wood for our mantel, and there was this scruffy, bearded, grungy guy that helped us. I couldn't help but look at him and say, "OMG! He would have been the object of my desire 5 years ago!" The funny thing is, D is strangely attracted to those types too, but in his friends. We both agreed that those types are intriguing and fascinating for rigid, straight and narrow people like us, but to have an actual relationship with them is different! I quickly removed the fantasy making its way to the forefront of my brain, and squashed it with the reality that that guy also had "Avoidant" written all over him! Our emotions and our fantasy notion of what's attractive do not know reason. SO….don't depend on it! And by all means, if you're attracted to woodsy, avoidant types, stay away from lumber yards! LOL.
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Post by cupidcome on Feb 6, 2013 22:21:23 GMT -8
This is a big part of the reason we tend to go after and choose the wrong partner-because we are still hanging on to our childhood ideal of what is perfect for us. Mine was Captain Kirk! And then it was the Johnny Depp bad boy, and the hot drummer from Kings of Leon! my perfect LA partner is dark and moody, and somewhat tragic without being full on mentally ill. outspoken, a rebel, a "bad boy or girl", a heroin addict, in a band, or at the very least likes music. if he's a guy he should work in construction. if it's a girl prostitutes and strippers have my heart. has long hair and bad tattoos that look like s/he got them in prison. s/he should be intelligent, liberal, pro choice. I am realizing my poa is a lot of these things and i'm lonely and I want a real boyfriend and these traits describe many people not just my poa. I guess guys/girls like that are a dime a dozen, but when you're la, your poa seems sooo special. I think one of the causes of my relapse is that a very close friend died last year of an overdose and I guess you can never really "get over" something like that, but I didn't even deal with it. I didn't go to the funeral I just pretended it didn't happen. and about 6 months later my mom told me my friend stopped by my parents looking for me a few days before he died and he said his mom kicked him out and he was going to stay with friends, and my mom didn't tell me, cause I had just got out of prison. and I couldn't stop crying when she told me. I some times think things would be different if he didn't die. and something about my poa reminds me of my friend a little, and I try not to talk about my dead friend too much around my poa, but it always comes up somehow. I miss my friend. in the stages of grief, I think I am on the bargaining stage, I keep thinking I wish there was some way to go back in time. I know that's impossible. back to the topic of media, I think la is very under diagnosed because people see broken hearts as a part of life, but it's not normal to be constantly obsessed. I used to play elvis Costello's "I want you" repeatedly when I had my one poa. I thought this was just a normal song about a relationship, but then I read that it's about a crazy obsession. sometimes I think some of my favorite singers must be la too, like Morrissey and rivers Cuomo because they have so many songs about broken hearts. it really sucks that i'm a fan of music and many of my favorite songs have been "ruined" by bad poa memories, but if you actually listen to music, and don't only listen to songs about heartbreak, you will realize that not all songs are about relationships and you might have been finding the songs that aren't to be boring.
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Post by LovelyJune on Feb 7, 2013 3:27:48 GMT -8
Cupidcome, great realizations! But what are your goals? Your post sounds like you like all the tragedy and drama. Is it paying off? Maybe it's time to ask yourself, "could my ideal partner have healthier qualities?"
Water seeks its own level.
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