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Post by happygal1234 on Nov 24, 2008 19:50:26 GMT -8
I'm trying very hard to go NC in a toxic relationship where I care more(or at least it appears that way), and now I feel angry! I am the type who is in the helping professions, and is always sweet to everyone, and I feel angry! I am angry at wasting 5 years and acting like a starstruck little girl, I am angry at taking stuff (sorry, it's late!) and not standing up for myself, I am angry at myself for crawling at times and losing my dignity. I am angry at him for acting like Mr. family values and Mr. Conservative, and yet seeming to enjoy this whole thing (two married people in a "friendship"). Is this normal in the progression to recovery??
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Post by LovingGracefully on Nov 24, 2008 23:27:13 GMT -8
Hi...I found this on a site and thought it might be useful for us all. I hope this explains what you might be experiencing. There is a more formal stages of grief by Kubler-Ross that you could look up as well but I found this easier to identify with.
LovingGracefully
The "7 stages of grief Once again, it is important to interpret the stages loosely, and expect much individual variation. There is no neat progression from one stage to the next. In reality, there is much looping back, or stages can hit at the same time, or occur out of order. So why bother with stage models at all? Because they are a good general guide of what to expect.
For example, generally, a long period of "depression" (not clinical depression), isolation, and loneliness happen late in the grief process, months after the tragedy strikes. It actually is normal and expected for you to be very depressed and sad eight months later.
Outsiders do not understand this, and feel that it should be time for you to "get over it" and rejoin the land of the living. Just knowing that your desire to be alone with your sad reflections at this time is normal will help you deal with outside pressures. You are acting normally. They just don't "get it".
Here is the grief model called "The 7 Stages of Grief":
1. SHOCK & DENIAL- You will probably react to learning of the loss with numbed disbelief. You may deny the reality of the loss at some level, in order to avoid the pain. Shock provides emotional protection from being overwhelmed all at once. This may last for weeks.
2. PAIN & GUILT- As the shock wears off, it is replaced with the suffering of unbelievable pain. Although excruciating and almost unbearable, it is important that you experience the pain fully, and not hide it, avoid it or escape from it with alcohol or drugs.
You may have guilty feelings or remorse over things you did or didn't do with your loved one. Life feels chaotic and scary during this phase.
3. ANGER & BARGAINING- Frustration gives way to anger, and you may lash out and lay unwarranted blame for the loss on someone else. Please try to control this, as permanent damage to your relationships may result. This is a time for the release of bottled up emotion.
You may rail against fate, questioning "Why me?" You may also try to bargain in vain with the powers that be for a way out of your despair ("I will never drink again if you just bring him back")
4. "DEPRESSION", REFLECTION, LONELINESS- Just when your friends may think you should be getting on with your life, a long period of sad reflection will likely overtake you. This is a normal stage of grief, so do not be "talked out of it" by well-meaning outsiders. Encouragement from others is not helpful to you during this stage of grieving.
During this time, you finally realize the true magnitude of your loss, and it depresses you. You may isolate yourself on purpose, reflect on things you did with your lost one, and focus on memories of the past. You may sense feelings of emptiness or despair.
5. THE UPWARD TURN- As you start to adjust to life without your dear one, your life becomes a little calmer and more organized. Your physical symptoms lessen, and your "depression" begins to lift slightly.
6. RECONSTRUCTION & WORKING THROUGH- As you become more functional, your mind starts working again, and you will find yourself seeking realistic solutions to problems posed by life without your loved one. You will start to work on practical and financial problems and reconstructing yourself and your life without him or her.
7. ACCEPTANCE & HOPE- During this, the last of the seven stages in this grief model, you learn to accept and deal with the reality of your situation. Acceptance does not necessarily mean instant happiness. Given the pain and turmoil you have experienced, you can never return to the carefree, untroubled YOU that existed before this tragedy. But you will find a way forward.
You will start to look forward and actually plan things for the future. Eventually, you will be able to think about your lost loved one without pain; sadness, yes, but the wrenching pain will be gone. You will once again anticipate some good times to come, and yes, even find joy again in the experience of living.
LovingGracefully
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Post by LovelyJune on Nov 25, 2008 5:01:25 GMT -8
Great way to draw attention to the anger LG. And hiflyer, YES. It is normal. Many LAs have lost the ability to FEEL. Anger is a great motivator. For many years I stuffed my anger and buried it and simply became numb. Every once in awhile it pops out though and I feel great afterwards. And also....people with a healthier perspective on relationships WOULD feel anger over half of what you described. They wouldn't put up with it either. So...you're on the right track. Express yourself.
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Post by happygal1234 on Nov 25, 2008 10:07:16 GMT -8
Thanks, LG and Telmita. Your replies really help. Today is a difficult day- I am just staying busy. I never let myself really feel that my anger had any validation before-he was always right, of course. I am tempted to tell him, but I know the plot of this story now- he will just get angry back and reject me. He only wants the sweet woman. And, why should I give him ANY attention anymore? Let him feel ignored for once.
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Post by shattereddreams on Nov 25, 2008 13:11:01 GMT -8
Understand what you are going through...I find myself feeling highly irritable, with alternating bouts of feeling angry towards POA, then feeling angry at myself....trying to let go of it, but my heart feels so heavy right now.
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Post by happygal1234 on Nov 25, 2008 18:22:28 GMT -8
I think maybe it is the problem in these relationships that there is an imbalance of power, and that makes us angry, especially when we cannot express it. Also, there is a lot of frustration. My POA just has so many problems, and I feel sorry for him at times, and I just can't express any anger to him. It's a mess.
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Post by candee on Dec 4, 2008 23:13:25 GMT -8
Hiflyer..Your exactly where you need to be.Im grateful that youre angry at all the energy youve wasted and on how you gave your power away.This anger will deter you from going into things blindly in future.This also tells me that you are finding your self worth.Youre learning to love yourself.
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Post by lulu on Dec 28, 2008 10:38:07 GMT -8
I can't seem to get angry. I haven't got angry from my divorce - after 28 years he divorced me to start over with a clean slate and we were to be back together by Christmas - only thing is he had a girlfriend by then -
Now I've been with my POA and haven't been able to get angry and he has done things and treated me in ways that I should be ANGRY
I to have wasted over 4 years with this man hoping it would turn out to be a committed relationship but I have been strung along and have allowed myself to be used. I too am too nice for my own good at times but I want to know why I don't get angry - I think I stuff a lot of my anger towards myself when I should be angry with these men.
My father was an angry bitter person. I don't want to be like he was. My mother never stood up for herself with my father and I think we were scared of him.
I want to stand up for myself but don't know how due to these role models. Don't want to be a doormat anymore - do I just need to allow the anger to surface?
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Post by Judy on Dec 28, 2008 15:10:28 GMT -8
Hi lulu - I think a lot of us suffer from the same dysfunction - not being able to express anger HEALTHILY. I think a lot of women end up stuffing it down - but ultimately paying for it in one way or another.
It is OK to be angry. It's a human feeling. FOR ME - it is not OK to act out due to that anger. I was never taught how to channel my anger appropriately. I have learned some techniques over the years in 12 step programs. Of course the old "Count to 10" is a GREAT standby.
My rage and temper are almost palpable. They are right under the surface all the time. It is how I am hardwired. So knowing that, I prepare myself. I do the best I can to act appropriately. But I don't stuff it down anymore. I own it and I honor it. I deal with it and move on.
I'll bet there are some good books on the subject.
ALso, I used to be afraid of my anger. I am not afraid of it anymore.
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Post by Susan Peabody on Dec 28, 2008 15:17:27 GMT -8
Many love addicts also suffer from BPD, borderline personality disorder. BPDs have attachment issues and rage issues. I have BPD. My rage is channeled through my alter ego Gretchen. I also sometimes call myself a "situational narcissist." I coined this term in an article I wrote about it. It is the flip side of my codependency. In general, codependents "stuff" anger and BPDs project it on to people and situations. I am both codependent and suffer from BPD. I could tell you some stories that would curl your hair as they used to say. I just took my granddaughter to the Nutcracker. My daughter asked "How did it go?" My granddaughter said, "The less you know mom the more likely you are to let me go next year." But she had a good time and that is all that counts. The most important thing to understand is that this is not about maturity. These are disorders that we have to deal with one day at a time. www.alumbo.com/article/41370-Situational-Narcissist.html
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