RobW
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Post by RobW on Mar 23, 2014 4:46:27 GMT -8
Just saw this article this morning. I find a lot of these flags in my relationship with my PoA... She had many of them. More importantly though, if I am honest with myself, I find that I did some of these as well. www.psychopathfree.com/content.php?212-30-Red-Flags
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Post by requin on Mar 23, 2014 5:05:36 GMT -8
thanks Rob. Very interesting. I only find maybe 1-2 of these in my current r'ship. But like you, I saw 1 or 2 that i've done in our r'ship too. (eye opening!)
Which begs the question--if only 1-2 of these are present, and not in a major way to cause overt trouble, is the r'ship still worth keeping?
Or is it an all or nothing thing? I would think it depends on the frequency/severity of the 'bad habit' ...
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Post by RobW on Mar 23, 2014 5:25:29 GMT -8
requin,
Like anything, there are always shades of grey... life is lived in shades of grey and everything is relative. While I see some things on the list that I did and that she did, some were BIG issues and some were just small things that only happened once or twice. Everyone has bad days, everyone can be be insensitive at times... it's when there is a consistent pattern of behavior that there might be a real problem. Just one example of this in action...
She did #14 on the list almost constantly. She did it not only with me, but with her BF and with co-workers. It was a consistent pattern of behavior. She did #18 on occasion. Two or three times at most over our 14 months together. I wouldn't call it enough to be a real issue, it's easily written off as a bad day or moment.
Some of the ones I did were the same. Some I did just here and there at bad moments, others are patterns of behavior for me that I have done consistently in my life. These are the ones I need to concern myself with making changes.
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Post by LovelyJune on Mar 23, 2014 5:49:36 GMT -8
Wow! I love this list. Very eye opening! But I gotta tell you, D and I are both guilty of MANY things on this list--though not at the same time and in very small doses. In other words, if I really look at the dynamic of how we communicate--or rather when we get into arguments, traces of many of these red flags can be found. So, what does that mean? Well, the MAIN thing with red flags is that they are mostly subjective. To me, someone who smokes pot is a HUGE red flag. To someone else (who might also smoke pot) that's a plus. The second thing is, while some of these issues are clearly red flags in large doses (lies and excuses), in trace amounts they are manageable. No one communicates perfectly. I can be guilty of talking a lot more than usual about my exes (not so much anymore, but still more than usual) and focusing on D's mistakes, not my own; D can be guilty of not putting himself in my shoes and having a limited startle response. We can both be judgmental about others who live differently than we do, and we both expect the other can just read our minds (not sure if that's a bad thing, or just a human thing). At any rate, take this list with a grain of salt. D and I deeply love each other, respect each other, don't fight often, and communicate really well. UNLESS we're both sick or tired or upset about something else. In that case, we can bicker and argue and our two inner children come out and don't play nicely.
Like requin said, most (not all) of the items on this list depend on frequency and severity, and what YOU personally can tolerate.
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Post by LovelyJune on Mar 23, 2014 5:50:57 GMT -8
Ditto what you said, rob. We must have writing our posts at the same time!!!
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Post by requin on Mar 23, 2014 5:52:48 GMT -8
Agreed. I've been reading them again and some of the comments at the bottom.
My bf (or ex..whatever, I'm hoping we'll get back together, we split last Tue after a fight) has a bit of a tendency towards #22 (lots of 'crazy' ppl in his past). It makes me wonder what he'd say about me after the fact. I can't remember him ever once taking any blame for the end of any r'ship. Even the ones where he didn't label the woman something negative, he doesn't really explain why it ended. (So in that case, was it him? If so, he won't fess up to that.)
I tend to do #11 a little bit..(talk about exes) but not so much to 'brag' they still want me, more because that was my life before current bf, and it's the only life I know. For example if we go to such and such place, I might say, "C (ex husband) and I came here once and a neighbor from my childhood was sitting next to us." Anecdotes like that. I don't mean anything by it, but I do think it sort of bothers him. I could simply say, "I was here once and.." and leave out the reference to the ex. Something to think about and work on.
I like this list, thanks for sharing this, lots of good stuff here to ponder.
Oh and my ex-POA of 15 years fit most of this stuff, although we had a long distance romance and he wasn't on social media so some of it doesn't apply. He has NPD (narcisstic personality disorder) (fits a checklist of that to a T) so needless to say he fits most of the behavior on this red flag list too. And that bit about how a person like that can make you feel insane, suicidal, drained, shocked, empty--ha ha that's for sure!! I lived like that for years....
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RobW
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Post by RobW on Mar 23, 2014 6:13:31 GMT -8
Wow... 15 years with a narcissist? How on earth did you do it?
I did 14 months with my PoA and feel like I've slogged through the 9 circles of hell... a few times. It definitely left me feeling insane, drained, empty, untrusting, and occasionally suicidal. If I had done 15 years, I'm fairly certain I'd be writing this now with a crayon from a padded cell ;-)
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Post by requin on Mar 23, 2014 6:48:47 GMT -8
ha ha...I almost was bat-sh** crazy, trust me. It was long distance..he was also married..it was almost entirely virtual (email, text, phone). In all those years we got together in person maybe 10-15 times. How I did it I dn't know, why I did it I don't know except i was addicted. Pure and simple. W/ all the neuroses that go along w/ that (i.e., didn't think I deserved better, punishing myself for divorcing husband, etc) plus he played me so well..
naive, and a waste of some of the best years of my life. But I cannot wallow in regret about that. I did the best I could at the time. onward and upward.
Don't ever want to get into a sitation like that again. Older and hopefully wiser now.
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