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Post by Susan Peabody on Oct 6, 2017 11:21:45 GMT -8
When a relationship is over or needs to end because it is toxic, most healthy people feel loss or sadness, but eventually they are able to move on. For Love Addicts, however, the act of “moving on” can be a seemingly impossible task, steeped in fear and desperation to hang on. When this is the case, one must learn to engage in “No Contact” or NC. (Scroll down to the bottom for what to do if you have tried NC and it is not working.)The legal definition of NC is a “Cessation of all contact between partners . . . and a permanent ending of all contact between affair partners and the people surrounding them.” But for our purposes, NC is the act of removing yourself mentally and physically from your Person of Addiction (PoA) for the purpose of self-healing. NC is not a tool to try and win back a PoA or reconcile. If you find yourself avoiding your PoA or not answering his calls so as to make him upset or “want you more,” you are missing the point of NC. NC is a gift you give yourself in order to control your obsessive behavior, overcome your addiction to a person and begin to heal. No contact also means no new hurt. Still, many of us struggle with what NC means, exactly. Below is a list that will help you understand and follow NC: 1. No Talking in person: The relationship is over, or you’d like it to be over. This means that you do not engage in talking to your PoA. So often we feel obligated to “say one last thing” or convince someone, through the act of verbal communication, that they should not leave. But a break up is a break up because at least one person does not want to be in the relationship. This needs to be respected. Professing your love, your hatred, anything else does nothing productive. It will make you look bad, plain and simple. Not only that, but silence is communication. It is saying, “I no longer wish to speak to you.” This is VERY hard for a love addict to say. But remember, NC is a gift you give to yourself so that you can heal and become healthy. Remember to focus on your goals. Write them down. You want to learn a healthier way to live and to be. Not talking to your PoA is part of that process of recovery. 2. No Sex: Sometimes we use sex as a manipulation to win back the PoA, or to simply feel close via physical contact. But when the relationship is over, so too are the fringe benefits. Sex after a break up is just sex. And oftentimes it’s degrading. NC means no sex with your PoA, or with any random stranger or friend of the PoA (for the purpose of inciting jealousy, or simply to move on quickly). Sex without love strips you of self-esteem and dignity. You are worth more. 3. No Phone calls: So often we have “one more thing” we need to say. Or we want closure. Or we just want to make that connection or hear their voice. The object of NC is to separate yourself from your PoA so that you can heal. So that you can stop the obsessing or recover from a bad relationship. Don’t call or leave messages after hours, or call their relatives, their work, etc. It will do absolutely nothing positive. When the relationship is over, so is communication. 4. No Texts: One of the hardest things to avoid in today’s world is the text message. It has become a relationship backbone. But when the relationship is over, so is communication. Don’t text your PoA, and don’t respond to texts. Delete them as soon as they come in—as hard as that may be—because once you read them, you’re hooked and often feel compelled to respond. Sending texts is counterproductive to recovery and healing. 5. No E-mails: Dear PoA letters that profess your love, your hatred, or anything else do nothing productive. This type of behavior does very little to initiate closeness with someone who does not want to be in a relationship with you, nor does it help you to break the bonds of a toxic relationship. 6. No Letters or Packages: Don’t send back old memories, letters or notes to their door. It crosses boundaries and pushes them away even further. And when you get no response from this, it devastates you. Pack the stuff up and forget about it, or put it in the trash. 7. No Instant Messaging: Instant Messaging, especially when you are both online and your PoA is not initiating a conversation, can drive you crazy. There are issues of tone and accusations that are misconstrued in writing. Professing your love, your hatred, anything else to initiate dialogue does nothing productive. It only makes you look bad, plain and simple. 8. No Contact from a distance (stalking):* When we are obsessed over a PoA, we tend to go to great lengths to see them or be near them, even after a break up. This includes going to their favorites places, planning to bump into them, looking for their car, watching them leave in the morning and more importantly, driving by their home to see if they are there or who might have parked a car in their driveway overnight. This behavior will do nothing but help you find the painful clues you have been looking for but didn’t really want to see. This is stalking. It is highly counterproductive to recovery, not to mention dangerous, and could get you in trouble. 9. No Cyber Stalking: Perusing social networking sites such as Facebook, MySpace, and Match.com, even eBay, craigslist or Googling, in an attempt to learn more about your PoA and “see” what he or she is up to, is against the rules of NC. This type of behavior is stalker-ish. And it does nothing but harshly remind you that they are no longer yours. Delete their profiles or block them. NO GOOD CAN COME FROM THIS. 10. Do Not Reply: One of the hardest acts of NC is not responding to pings, emails, phone calls, texts, etc. We believe that if they contact us, we are worthy! They must love us. How can we not respond to that? Some of us respond because we tell ourselves it’s rude not to. We don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings. But remember, you have a right to place a boundary around and not let certain people in. You have the right to not pick up the phone or reply to a text. It’s called discretion. Responding to pings, emails, phone calls, texts, or any attempt by your POA to contact you are not NC. It breaks the rules and can lead to no good. 11. No Contacting the Ex’s friends and family: Sometimes we rationalize NC by thinking, “If I’m not directly contacting him (her), I’m safe.” So, we continue to forge bonds with friends we shared while dating. But contact with those closest to the PoA, their friends, family members, co-workers, is not NC. Asking what they’re up to, if they’re dating, etc. is still contact. In order to recover we sometimes need to put shared friends on the back burner for a while too in order to heal. 12. No Excessive fantasizing: “No Contact” can be mental and emotional as well as physical. What’s the point in following all of the above rules of NC, only to spend your whole day dreaming of the ex? The idea of NC is NO CONTACT, but some of us simply cannot let go and so we continue the relationship in our minds. This can go on for years (known as torchbearing). Practice thought-stopping. Keep your mind active and busy. Remember that your heart, mind and body are sacred places and also need to experience NC in order to heal. For those that are unsure, stalking has the following definition and is considered illegal.“Stalking can be defined as the willful and repeated following, watching, and / or harassing of another person. Most of the time, the purpose of stalking is to attempt to force a relationship with someone who is unwilling or otherwise unavailable. Unlike other crimes, which usually involve one act, stalking is a series of actions that occur over a period of time. Although stalking is illegal, the actions that contribute to stalking are usually legal, such as gathering information, calling someone on the phone, sending gifts, emailing or instant messaging. Such actions by themselves are not usually abusive, but can become abusive when frequently repeated over time”. "I think NC and LC concepts NEED to address the fact that they are not only established to promote physical distance from a PoA, but mental and emotional as well. The reason I say this is because some people can keep NC for very long periods of time with no problem, and yet, they are constantly imagining, fantasizing, thinking, and dreaming of their PoA. What then is the point of NC to a torchbearer?" If NC does not work within a year, you are probably a Torchbearer and need to learn how to love someone from afar without the pain. This means turning down the obsession to the level of nostalagia. A pain free infatuation is the best a Torchbearer can do until they transfer the feelings to someone else. This could take years. I loved a guy from my high school (in my mind) for 30 years until we met again for the high school reunion. For more about this contact me for a consultation. There is not much information about this on the market as I created this term myself to describe a particular type of love addict and expect to write a book about it eventually.
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Post by geisi on Mar 2, 2019 8:51:09 GMT -8
We used the no contact rules during our last LAA meeting; it resonnated very strongly; lots of sharing; grateful for this, thank you
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Post by Loveanimals on Mar 2, 2019 12:45:23 GMT -8
We used the no contact rules during our last LAA meeting; it resonnated very strongly; lots of sharing; grateful for this, thank you No Contact is SO hard! At times it would feel so overwhelming that I would just focus on one hour: one hour of no contact, followed by one more hour. This is similar to the "One day at a time" statement in 12 steps meetings. Yet in the early stages of No Contact, even a day seemed overwhelming. Then eventually the urges would pass, and I would go weeks without contact and not even think about my POA! I even would put a hair tie on my wrist and snap it if I had the urge to text my POA. The urge itself is tough for people like me who have poor impulse control. Just stopping the contact before it occurs, brings up a lot of painful emotions.
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Post by geisi on Mar 4, 2019 4:44:08 GMT -8
it is hard; I have tricked myself along the way of letting go of lovers in so many indirect ways; some I have succeeded in absolutely no contact and they have moved into the distance like a ship on the ocean; two I worked on being in contact related to work / social activism; they were partners many years ago and are 'friends'now with a big protective energy fence around them and around me; I practise 'seeing' (awareness, step 11) my needs, wishes, engagements with life joy and who they are; can appreciate the amazing human beings they are in their worlds (they never hurt me, I did it to myself; they were just not available) but I don't hook into any of their magnetism and appeal (they are publically adored, I know the shadow side of this). So, for me, some of my addictive love obsession i can detach without cutting off, some, where the other was abusive, lying, cheating, I have cut, period. As I write this to you, I feel sparkles of recovery in me - thank you for receiving
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Post by Loveanimals on Mar 5, 2019 3:11:23 GMT -8
geisi I like the term "big protective energy fence around them and around me" for those who haven't directly hurt me with cheating, lying, etc., but were honest they aren't available due to past relationship hurts or because they are looking for someone younger to have a large family, etc. Others are easy to let go like distant ships in the ocean. Yes, I see the sparkles, too
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Post by geisi on Mar 10, 2019 22:41:13 GMT -8
thank you; now I am working the fantasy part; I have about five epic story books in my head; re-visiting not for 'a fix' its sort of coming in dreams as re-edit; I see my addictive patterns playing out, the neediness, the illusion I created of the other and now the movies play to recovery themes; detaching, seeing and feeling myself as 'good enough', complete, contained and shifting energy towards creative engagement, my way and for self care; this all sits so deep, will take time and practise. My daily list of self love and checking that at night, reads: 1. affirmations (my sponsor said 'you are f..cing awesome'; I don't curse but love that one to bits); 2. spiritual self care, I pray and live close to HP, more every day; 3. emotional self care, shifting negative thought, even with a physical body turn to'the other way' loving thoughts, gratitude; 4. physical self care, walking, stretching, healthy eating, breathing ecercise, 5. financial / sustenance self care, this is most challegning at this time; I gave it all (almost) away (co-dependent love addict) - cranking back up to work and receive for what i give in all ways possible - work in progress Thank you for receiving
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Post by geisi on Mar 10, 2019 22:42:25 GMT -8
sorry for typos
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Post by kelly on Mar 17, 2019 14:37:56 GMT -8
NC is so hard..... It doesn't feel possible sometimes, especially the fantasizing part.
Kelly
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Post by Loveanimals on Mar 17, 2019 19:53:53 GMT -8
geisi, that's my fear of being financially independent, as I have had many male suitors off in an island across the country where I frequently visit, try to get money. Thankfully the ones here don't. I decided to leave that are a behind, as it was just full of hedonism, alcoholism, and people with criminal backgrounds. That's not part of recovery at all!
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Post by geisi on Mar 17, 2019 23:28:39 GMT -8
the shifting I experience and consciously work on is detaching from external validation, needing social status, affluence as power etc towards valuing the inner richess; it is a wonderful discovery journey to find the treasures within, therer are lots I realize with joy, this brings peace; I see the shift as 'right-sizing', letting go of relationships where I performed in social setings with lots of props; simpicity can mean dignity and being with like-minded seekers of peace and inner freedom is so calming , makes me feel 'real' and authentic
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Post by geisi on Mar 18, 2019 2:20:30 GMT -8
Hello loveanimals, adding to my comment bove: a thought came to tell you about the book 'Siddhartha' by Herman Hesse; restless inspite of a prviledged home, Siddhartha undertakes an epic journey to find his truth, purpose, HP's plan for him; detaching from his particular circumstances and cultural context, the essence of his journey resonnated deeply with me; it is mine too - he finds his soulmate - HP guide - and he finds his truth, peace in simplicity. Beautifully written; hope it resonnates with you too
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Post by Loveanimals on Mar 18, 2019 22:25:57 GMT -8
Thank you, geisi!
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Post by Sexlessw on Mar 31, 2019 6:24:05 GMT -8
Keep these in mind when you are beginning. You won't accomplish each and everything in one move. Just focus on one point in this list and keep moving through them.
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Post by Annebelle on May 19, 2019 12:08:39 GMT -8
P.S. If NC does not work within a year, you are probably a Torchbearer and need to learn how to love someone from afar without the pain. This means turning down the obsession to the level of nostalagia. A pain free infatuation is the best a Torchbearer can do until they transfer the feelings to someone else. This could take years. I loved a guy from my high school (in my mind) for 30 years until we met again for the high school reunion. For more about this contact me for a consultation. There is not much information about this on the market as I created this term myself to describe a particular type of love addict and expect to write a book about it eventually.
Hey all. It's been a while, and I'll write a longer post in a Journal entry, but I just wanted to respond to this quote. Lately I've been identifying less with the term "addict"--I prefer to call it "romantic obsession"--although I'm still interested in working the steps. Treating this all as an addiction hasn't changed my thought process and it's awful.
I just want to stop my thoughts. But I like the challenge of turning down the obsession to a level of nostalgia. I'm trying to figure out what that looks like.
EDITED TO ADD: Whaaaaat happened to the "Journals" section??? I guess i really *has* been a while for me
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Post by Sexlessw on May 20, 2019 2:42:10 GMT -8
AnneBelle:
Huh! Good point - I was thinking about the Journals Section of the website. I used to read member's journals when I had an opportunity.
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Post by Namaste on May 22, 2019 6:39:48 GMT -8
AnneBelle: Huh! Good point - I was thinking about the Journals Section of the website. I used to read member's journals when I had an opportunity. I can reinstate this feature if you want. Let me know . . .
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Post by Sexlessw on May 23, 2019 3:19:42 GMT -8
Namaste:
If I remember correctly, a few members used their Journal Posts to expound on many things they were undergoing. I don't know if the membership now has enough members for a Journal section.
I can't hurt to re-instate the Journal Feature - I would wager may Old Timers and Newer Timers would like to start new entries.
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Post by Namaste on May 23, 2019 13:49:20 GMT -8
Namaste: If I remember correctly, a few members used their Journal Posts to expound on many things they were undergoing. I don't know if the membership now has enough members for a Journal section. I can't hurt to re-instate the Journal Feature - I would wager may Old Timers and Newer Timers would like to start new entries. Send my your username and I will create a journal for you.
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Post by Sexlessw on May 24, 2019 3:14:13 GMT -8
Namaste:
Thank you for the offer for myself, but I maintain some good old fashioned pens and notebooks for my journaling. It wasn't until I engaged with my second PoA back in 1999 (!!!) that I began my writings. It has helped so much to look back and read how far I've come (and I sometimes cringe when I re-read the same things over and over which went on for YEARS).
I personally encourage any other users to take you up on the offer. Or, if they don't feel comfortable doing that, to maintain personal writings on pen & paper or online somewhere.
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Post by Annebelle on May 24, 2019 20:28:48 GMT -8
I’d be open to re-instating the journals section...I have a bunch of unsent letters.
Or, as an alternative, could we possibly have an “Open Letters Thread”? I’ve done this on other forums and it’s very therapeutic
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Post by Sexlessw on May 25, 2019 2:54:54 GMT -8
AnneBelle:
Good point.
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Post by Namaste on May 25, 2019 18:33:59 GMT -8
I’d be open to re-instating the journals section...I have a bunch of unsent letters. Or, as an alternative, could we possibly have an “Open Letters Thread”? I’ve done this on other forums and it’s very therapeutic Here is the new journal section . . . loveaddictionforum.proboards.com/board/219/personal-journals
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Post by peaceseeker on Apr 5, 2020 12:47:21 GMT -8
one of the hardest parts for me in NC is not replying to his texts or calls. I feel like he loves the person that I am and connects with me but isn't ready for the type of relationship that I need, so I just keep replying in the hopes that he will reach that day that he is ready. and I can just keep showing him the cool a** chick that I am and who he connects with. I don't know how to break that thought chain, because what if he is the person for me but the timing isn't right? or is that just delusional?
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Post by Sexlessw on Apr 6, 2020 3:55:05 GMT -8
Peace Seeker:
Oh yeah. NOT responding when THEY contact YOU. I have (was) on that Ferris Wheel for...nearly 15 years (!!!) with my xOM.
The way to STOP it is to TELL the PoA NO MORE CONTACT. Then you delete and block him on all social media. The nuclear option is changing your number and email accounts.
If he WERE the person for you, he would not be treating you as a back up plan.
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Post by peaceseeker on Apr 11, 2020 9:32:31 GMT -8
love the brutal honesty sexlessw. Its so so hard though 9as I'm sure you know) he is giving me so much more attention than he ever has in the 2 years that we have been broken up. How did you get the courage to tell him to stop??
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Post by Sexlessw on Apr 14, 2020 3:58:52 GMT -8
Peaceseeker:
Isn't that interesting that once you move away from the relationship, HE is the one giving you attention? Who's the addict there?
When we pull away, it triggers the Addict/Avoidant cycle (Pia Mellody). You pull away, he comes charging in. You need more, he pulls away. You pull away, here he comes again...on and on.
Okay - I never told my xOM to stop or STEP OFF. I just never contacted him. THEN...he would call. I have not, at this moment in time, told him to STEP OFF. He called me on March 1 of this year after not having heard from me in 11 months. Called with the excuse, "You said you would call me!" Yeah - no. HOWEVER, if he calls me after another 11 months, I am telling him to go away. I'm done.
Telling him to go away permanently is a very, very, very difficult thing to do. I can't say I've reached that level. Everything else - I've done.
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Post by Sexlessw on Jul 7, 2020 3:28:48 GMT -8
Bumping this thread because it is SO DARNED IMPORTANT for folks who are just beginning their journey. [Please ignore my post above this one - talk about thread jack!]
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Post by calmkathy on Jul 10, 2020 19:41:03 GMT -8
I agree, this is a powerful discussion . I goes to the heart of the matter. It really helped me to define "No contact" in a different way since one of my POA is my 13 year old son's father. His dad and I were together in a miserable off/on relationshihp for 9 years before we married and stayed sick for 19 years before divorcing 2 years ago. Of necessity I interact with this guy on a daily basis.
I had to define my "no Contact" behavior as "I will not discuss reconciling with this man (or act/dress seductively) one day at a time unless I talk it through with my sponsor after having worked the steps on it and gotten clear guidance from God that it is time to do so!"
I think withdrawal from an addictive sick relationship is one of the hardest things--actually, let me restate it--It is THE hardest thing I have ever done. The clarity I got that it was necessary to end the relationship came only as a gift from my Higher Power whom I choose to call God via a good therapist. She helped me see how absolutely miserable I was in the relationship and how all my efforts to change him or myself in the relationship had failed and I was getting sicker and sicker. I was starting to cut myself out of being depressed. My husband and I traded roles as the avoidant and as the addict. A person can be both. See "Facing Love Addiction" by Pia Melody.
It is only after having been "No contact" in the way described above , with my x-husband and also No Contact with my other POA (post marriage relationship) for 3 months that I began to feel my true joyful self and my connection to a Loving Creator start to surface.
I feel that it is crucial to have a period free of the agony of the back and forth, the negotiating, the sick role playing, etc. to begin to heal from this sickness. If the relationship is meant to be , it will stand the test of a little time apart. Think about the boundary that you truly need to set for YOURSELF to feel safe and comfortable. Then set it. If you have experienced the insanity of an addictive love relationship, that boundary needs to be NO CONTACT imho. If you have minor children together you will need to set up clarity on what "No contact" means within this type of scenario with a sponsor or therapist.
This insanity of love addiction can kill. It is nothing to fool around with. Give the program a chance to work. You will never regret it. Whereas doing the same thing over and over, you may never make it back to sanity again. You have come this far. Don't go back to old behavior. Just my 2 cents.
You are worth doing what it takes to recover!!
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Post by Sexlessw on Jul 12, 2020 3:45:57 GMT -8
CalmKathy:
You had the difficult road to walk with NC b/c you share a child with your xPoA. Thank you for your post, because a few times there have been posters in your situation - sharing a child(ren) with a PoA - and I had NO IDEA how to share NC info in such circumstances.
I will keep your post as a reference. Thank you so much for your helpful post.
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Post by pearluniverse on Mar 15, 2021 11:23:22 GMT -8
Struggling today with NC. Have been obsessed with my PoA for a long time, almost 20 years of addictive patterns that I am just now fully waking up to. I’m so grateful to be here and learning. About 90 percent of my addiction to this person is fantasy based, thinking about them, analyzing, using oracle cards to guess what they’re feeling and thinking at this moment, thinking of ways to make contact, planning ways to make subtle contact (through group emails for my business that I can obsessively track how many times PoA reads and opens). We don’t have much contact (aside from the group emails that I’m not allowing myself to send to my PoA now that I’m NC.), but the fantasy part has been such a big part of my life for so long, I really fear that I’m deeply broken and will never be able to give this up. It’s like a hungry creature that just has this insatiable craving for this email contact and fantasy about my PoA.
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